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Kerry = A war criminal (pg. 2)
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June 30, 1971:
| quote: | Again and again, the question was asked: Did Kerry commit atrocities or see them committed by others? Kerry stuck to his script.
"I personally didn't see personal atrocities in the sense I saw somebody cut a head off or something like that," Kerry said. "However, I did take part in free-fire zones, I did take part in harassment and interdiction fire, I did take part in search-and-destroy missions in which the houses of noncombatants were burned to the ground. And all of these acts, I find out later on, are contrary to the Hague and Geneva conventions and to the laws of warfare. So in that sense, anybody who took part in those, if you carry out the application of the Nuremberg Principles, is in fact guilty. But we are not trying to find war criminals. That is not our purpose. It never has been." |
http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/...ry/061703.shtml
Disturbing acts from a disturbing war for sure, but he hasn't admitted to anything we shouldn't expect any other Vietnam veteran to admit to (I'm sure that Bush would have been admitting similar crimes had he, you know, showed up). At least Kerry recognised the moral and legal illegitimacy of the military activities he and his fellow soldiers participated in, widespread though these activities were. Besides, what's worse - participating in illegal military activities or orchestrating them? Kerry, from what he said there, is not responsible for any civilian deaths, Bush is responsible for 10,000 and - despite the illegitimacy of every causus belli presented - still refuses to admit he may have been wrong.
In any case, if I were an American voter, I know which of these two "war criminals" I'd be directing my moral outrage towards... |
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| occrider |
Hmmm so he's either courtmartialed for derilection of duty and disobeying an order from a commander or he's a "war-criminal"? That's quite a predicament Kerry must have been in. I still think Kerry is to blame however.
Obviously the "right" thing to do would have been to join the air-national guard and avoid the war altogether ... |
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| PHALPAX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
Hey I'm not the one who thinks the guy is a war criminal, he is ;) |
At least he didn't go AWOL and in a drunken stupor for a year :) |
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| imokruok |
| I watched that Dick Cavett show debate a few weeks ago. It is a really powerful segment, and it makes you realize just how much of a media creation that John Kerry is. The man on the other side of the debate was John O'Neill, a leader of another veterans group that supported the US' original mission in Vietnam. He did a great deal better than Kerry in the debate, yet the media latched on to Kerry's minority view of the war because that was what they wanted to cover. |
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| smokeape |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
He said so on TV! CSPAN is replaying some interview of his from 1971 as a rep of the VVAW and bidding for Congress.
He admitted to himself being a war criminal.  :disbelief
So what do you think, still gonna vote for a self-confessed war criminal come November?
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Kerry is a war criminal not because he shot a few civilians, but because he put thousands of American GIs at risk by siding with the traitor whore slut bitch Jane Fonda in anti-war protesting which encouraged Hanoi to step up their campaigns against our own troops.
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by smokeape
Kerry is a war criminal not because he shot a few civilians, but because he put thousands of American GIs at risk by siding with the traitor whore slut bitch Jane Fonda in anti-war protesting which encouraged Hanoi to step up their campaigns against our own troops.
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This is a tremendous reach. You mean to conclude that we backed out of the Vietnam War due to Fonda's encouragement to the enemy? Furthermore, you mean to conclude that, since Kerry, after receiving his medals and was finished with his well-respected tour of duty, saw how incredibly wrong we were for being in this war and knew it was not a winnable war, and was then protesting the war like a great many war veterans (and much of the country's citizens for that matter), had a snapshot with Fonda in a protest, would therefore be aided and abetted the enemy to overcome our forces?
OK Ashcroft, whatever you say. I guess if you don't wrap yourself up in the American Flag and support what f$cking idiotic bullsh$t war we throw ourselves into, you are therefore unpatriotic and are aiding the enemy, is that correct?
Don't you kinda think there were other reasons why we weren't gonna win the Vietnam War, and that those reasons had little to do with Fonda and/or Kerry? |
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| smokeape |
No, I'm only stating that if Kerry rubbed elbows with Jane Fonda in anit-war protests, then he was no less culpable than the traitor whore bitch herself. Where were you back then? Were you even born?
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by smokeape
No, I'm only stating that if Kerry rubbed elbows with Jane Fonda in anit-war protests, then he was no less culpable than the traitor whore bitch herself. Where were you back then? Were you even born?
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Not quite born, but close. There were a great many people whom were involved in those protests. In hindsight, and given what we know about that war, how could you say they were wrong to protest the war?
Now I am not referring to those idiots protesting the men and women serving the military - just the war and our government's involvement. Now was Fonda a complete moron for going over to Vietnam and showing her support for the enemy? Sure was. But you know as well as I that people for different reasons come together to protest for a common cause.
So is there evidence that Kerry supported N. Vietnam? None from which I've seen. If you have any evidence of this, you'll be the first. He's merely protesting us being in that ridiculous war, just like that idiot Fonda was doing. This can't even be given a guilt by association, because aside of a snapshot in a protest, what other association has Drudge or any other Repub. smearmonger come up with? |
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| biodigit |
| quote: | Originally posted by smokeape
No, I'm only stating that if Kerry rubbed elbows with Jane Fonda in anit-war protests, then he was no less culpable than the traitor whore bitch herself. Where were you back then? Were you even born?
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That pic was bogus!
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht...223_paul01.html
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Most recently, a bogus photograph showing a young John Kerry sitting alongside Jane Fonda got brief circulation before being discredited. |
Now STFU! |
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| smokeape |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Not quite born, but close. |
Just as I figured. I actually lived through the times and was not a minor.
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by smokeape
Just as I figured. I actually lived through the times and was not a minor.
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So if you weren't a minor during 'Nam, then you must be in your mid to late 50's or early 60's now? Interesting. |
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| occrider |
| And all this time I thought MisterOpus was the senile, old grandpappy :nervous: |
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