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| CandyRaver666 |
No, not what you thought. This is not to be a sledging match.
What I am comparing is *price* (we have found the sound quality argument vaguely unsatisfying and generally immature, haven't we?).
Because everyone here is deeply law abiding and believes strongly in basic everyday values like honestly, all of you here have, of course, purchased their soft synths rather than have stolen them (yes, steal - To take (the property of another) without right or permission - a criminal offence)
I was looking at the prices of these synths on a discount music site. So, looking through the previous TA posts, most people seem to have :
Absynth 2 $RRP 339 discount $260
FM7 $RRP 339 discount $250
Pro 53 $RRP 229 discount $180
Reaktor 4$RRP 559 discount $400
Not to mention the others
Now, my software vs hardware question is :
Why did you buy your 2-3 pieces of software synth rather than buying, say, from ebay, where you can get a JP 8000/8080 Virus A/B for up to and sometimes even less than $500 ?
My experience with these cheaper synths is that they are still fantastic sounding (bang for buck wise) and are great for leads and pads.
The only soft synth I have bought is Atmosphere, mainly because I sometimes get too lazy to make complex evolving sounds on my kC/A6/V synth. |
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| Vert |
| quote: | Originally posted by CandyRaver666
No, not what you thought. This is not to be a sledging match.
What I am comparing is *price* (we have found the sound quality argument vaguely unsatisfying and generally immature, haven't we?).
Because everyone here is deeply law abiding and believes strongly in basic everyday values like honestly, all of you here have, of course, purchased their soft synths rather than have stolen them (yes, steal - To take (the property of another) without right or permission - a criminal offence)
I was looking at the prices of these synths on a discount music site. So, looking through the previous TA posts, most people seem to have :
Absynth 2 $RRP 339 discount $260
FM7 $RRP 339 discount $250
Pro 53 $RRP 229 discount $180
Reaktor 4$RRP 559 discount $400
Not to mention the others
Now, my software vs hardware question is :
Why did you buy your 2-3 pieces of software synth rather than buying, say, from ebay, where you can get a JP 8000/8080 Virus A/B for up to and sometimes even less than $500 ?
My experience with these cheaper synths is that they are still fantastic sounding (band for buck wise) and are great for leads and pads.
The only soft synth I have bought is Atmosphere, mainly because I sometimes get too lazy to make complex evolving sounds on my kC/V synth. |
Mostly because the people who you are talking about are warez monkeys.
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| DeZmA |
You got the right answer there
compare a v-station with the simple novation nova (cheap ass of ebay) it has more power, much better polyphony, hands-on interface which makes producing a lot more fun for me) + you don't have to go to a gig with a laptop and a simple mouse. In fact a lot of guys have dozens of warez plug-ins and they don't understand 10% of their power. I saved money and worked for some h/w synths and I know them inside out and fell in love with them + you get the manual so you don't have to go to some forum and ask what is that button for every 5 sec :). I do know there is some great stuff being made with software even on this forum with reason and stuff but most of them have a legal version I guess because I didn't see guys like mr mystery or haak asking questions like how to draw a note in the sequencer and such |
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| CandyRaver666 |
But Dez, people who can't draw notes don't necessarily steal software (although I do see how that is often the case).
This brings me to another one of my gripes :
People think that because they like music, they can just write music, with no musical background and experience. Now, some people can, but I can't really understand how.
Without a basic understanding of notes, keys, chords and the like, how could you ever compose something ? I guess that's the purpose of the piano roll screen, and the "click me" buttons in Fruit loops. Although some of you will say that clicking buttons is quicker, don't you want to see the notes and get a feel for the music ? |
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| alanzo |
When comparing the sound quality of VSTis Vs Hardware keeping in mind the price they both cost.. most of the time the software isn't worth it (where you get your "warez monkeys") The only VSTi that I would say is worth the money would be Vanguard.. its sound is a little funny.. but for $80 it's a steal..
But when you get into the big boys (pro-53, V-Station, etc etc) you're talking a lot more money.. So I would get a JP8080 instead of either of those.. You can pick up a JP8080 for about $500 on eBay and the sound quality blows away anything that software can do..
Of course, you can always buy yourself some sample CDs :) |
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| hey cheggy |
Depends on where you live. Software prices stay pretty much level anywhere in the world as many of the smaller plugins and synths can be downloaded from the website or emailed to you.
Hardware might be cheap on Ebay in the States, but not everywhere has that luxury. Over here, if you are lucky enough to find a 2nd hand synth, they still cost a LOT of money. 2nd hand jp-8k goes for about $1,000 US dollars. A second hand virus goes for about US$1,500, so a software synth can be all the more attractive. I remember i bought vaz2010 cos I thought it would ad something at such a small price. It turned out to be a crap synth but at the price, it wasn't much of a risk. Some synths, like the new CS-80V and ABL offer such great and interesting sounds, its hard to pass them up. |
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| DeZmA |
| quote: | Originally posted by CandyRaver666
But Dez, people who can't draw notes don't necessarily steal software (although I do see how that is often the case).
This brings me to another one of my gripes :
People think that because they like music, they can just write music, with no musical background and experience. Now, some people can, but I can't really understand how.
Without a basic understanding of notes, keys, chords and the like, how could you ever compose something ? I guess that's the purpose of the piano roll screen, and the "click me" buttons in Fruit loops. Although some of you will say that clicking buttons is quicker, don't you want to see the notes and get a feel for the music ? |
Trial and error
But ofcourse I find it a great help, especially for trance, having done piano lessons for 6 years.
The draw the note thing was just an example, of course you will find how to draw a note in the sequencer even with warez, but just look at some of the most easy questions being asked here, it makes one wonder. |
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| CandyRaver666 |
Warez has meant that people who were never serious enough to pay for programs can now still have access to virtual instruments. Do you think this is a positive, because it then stimulates them to want better items and thus pay for them ?
Or rather, because you were never serious enough to committ $ to an art, then you were never really serious about pulling through ?
I have no doubt some people succeed through warez giving them a foothold. Consquently, I have no doubt these people represent an extreme minority. |
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| DeZmA |
| quote: | Originally posted by DeZmA
The draw the note thing was just an example, of course you will find how to draw a note in the sequencer even with warez, but just look at some of the most easy questions being asked here, it makes one wonder. |
to make myself more clear here's an example
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=171637 |
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| DeZmA |
| quote: | Originally posted by CandyRaver666
Warez has meant that people who were never serious enough to pay for programs can now still have access to virtual instruments. Do you think this is a positive, because it then stimulates them to want better items and thus pay for them ?
Or rather, because you were never serious enough to committ $ to an art, then you were never really serious about pulling through ?
I have no doubt some people succeed through warez giving them a foothold. Consquently, I have no doubt these people represent an extreme minority. |
I think it's good to check things out before you buy them, but then again once you checked them out you should buy them if you're 100 % happy with it. |
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| dbl |
| quote: | Originally posted by CandyRaver666
because they like music, they can just write music, with no musical background and experience. Now, some people can, but I can't really understand how.
Without a basic understanding of notes, keys, chords and the like, how could you ever compose something ? I guess that's the purpose of the piano roll screen, and the "click me" buttons in Fruit loops. Although some of you will say that clicking buttons is quicker, don't you want to see the notes and get a feel for the music ? |
the only "musical" background i have is that my grandfather and my mother sings in a chorus.. + my grandfather and uncle can play guitarr and my mother know's how to read notes and such..
that is on my mothers side..
ony my fathers side one of my uncles play drums and the other one are producing trance/house or whatever.. haven't heard much from him except for some thing's he have played around with and a remix he did with another one on a bosson track (which is on the single)
but i haven't got anything out of that... but still i can produce.
and i can still make nice melodies and such.
nothing strange about that really imo.. hehe |
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| broken silence |
LOL
Someone made the Novation Nova to V-Station comparison and they were SPOT on.
I think that exactly shows kind of the difference between hardware vs software. The Nova sounds 300000000 times better than the V station which is supposed to be Novation's software counterpart.
But in its own way it does sound kind of cool and unique.
So...I use both. I think the right software and hardware combination sounds great together. But also, I still today have yet to hear any soft synth that has come even close to my virus or my nova. And that stupid "superwave" is for pussies. That sucks and doesn't even come CLOSE to emulating the supersaw. Another form of software vs hardware that has failed, absolutely miserably.
Thats why I think that software should stop emulating hardware and stop it now. Stuff like absynth and z3ta really show what software can do...instead of just trying to be hardware's bitch. Because you can never beat full effects, 6 synths, 16 voices, 3 oscs, and it eats NO cpu power in one box that you can buy for 300$ now?
Anyway about warez...im not going to deny, I have some. But do I use them? No...the main reason I have warez is to just try them out see if I like. If they're really spectacular, then I'll buy it. But haven't seen anything that's challenged my hardware significantly yet. |
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