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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by blazed it
compared to almost 3 million lost jobs this is a chump change figure. |
Yea well, those lost jobs would have occurred regardless of who was in office. I'm no fan of bush, but if you want to criticize him, stick to the pertinent issues (such as foreign policy or deficits) that warrant criticism.
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...15&pagenumber=3 |
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| Nalin |
| quote: | Originally posted by Diehard_clubber
George Bush?
I'm not trying to start a huge argument here, i'm just curious how according to the polls we hear about back here, about half the country still back him.
Is his propaganda machine really that powerful over there? |
you have to remember that you're asking a bunch of kiddies that have never known true discomfort, never witnessed horrors or had to live under disgustingly cruel conditions with nothing to look forward to, never seen a loved one die right in front of them, always had their stomachs full, etc. in essance if you're looking for people to agree with you that bush should have his throat slit but only after being dipped head first in cow manuer (which any person that doesn't have their brainwashed/ignorant head in their selfish ass can see), you're wasting your time.
it always disgusts me how stupid people chose to be because they live all snug and cozy. this forum is for discussing things that dont matter like why tiesto sucks, or what dj you know for a fact uses drugs, or any variety of girl problems like feminine odours, not for serious issues with people that largely don't care as long as they're confy.
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| Orbax |
| These are the same people voting ;) id think its pretty important. |
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| colonelcrisp |
I personally think bush is a complete idiot, but i also belive that he is too dumb to make all his stupid decisions on his own and i think there are a small goup of people with an retardation equal or greater than that of bush running the joint. the bottom line is that just cause he steers teh government and runs the military doesnt mean that it is every americans will to walk around the world rattling the sabre. in the end, 1 man with a team of speach writers taht cant even make him sound smart has to convice a room full of retirees and geriatrics that war = good and thats that, no referendums or public voting... so i dont hate americans, they are practically the same as canadians... tho not as good looking, and or cool as us canuks..:D And as for all the capitalism conspiracy going around. it exists in every country around the globe including canada.... the only thing is that our media and everyone elses media likes making fun of bush so much that they just cover his ups more often... The biggest problem i find is that it is the us citizens who will end up suffering for bushes ups. liek the whole iraq and afganistan issues... he has just created a whole new generation of would be pilots who dont bother to learn how to land... look at the palestine-israel conflict. that section of the world holds grudges. and neither side will ever admit defeat or wrongdoing.. i dont pretend to know all the facts in middleastern politics but look at the trends. some of these countries have been fighting eachother for 100s of years. so everytime the west puts their foot in that end of the world, they just blame the US for all their problems. granted they can blame the us governmetn and foreign policy for osme of their hardships but its the american public they take it out on, not the military or government. Furthermore, i think whoever wins this next election should step back and maybe foccus on the home front a bit. there are loads of problems stateside that should be fixed up before they go in up other poeoples business. the homeless issues, unemployment, inflation, crime rates in the citys. i think that these are far more noble tasks than ousting so called dictators from other countries. peopole who live in glass houses shouldnt thro stones, so in my opinion the US government should clean their room before they go redecorating otherpeoples. my last point on the subject, I have never been to iraq so i dont know what sadam was like beyond what i saw on CNN and the american syndicated news programs (which i dont trust as far as i can throw it) but if a country really wants to get rid of a regime/dictator. it should be up to thier own people to rise up and throw em out. that way if they find out later they had it off way better before, they got no one to blame but themselves, not to mention that they have the pride of self liberation. look at the states they booted the british out ( and then got your lilly asses served by us canadians circa 1812) but now if for arguments sake the afgani's and the iraqi's find they are poorer and more opressed by their new governmetns thant hey were with saddam and the taliban, who are they going to blame, not themselves. so the bottom line is dont piss in other peoples pools unless they ask you too. hopefully you guys vote in teh new guy, and hopefully he doesnt turn out to be a complete head. Hey at least when we have a slightly retarded PM in canada, sure he pisses alot of people off with his bad english and worse french, but he is the only politician that made me laugh harder than SNL...
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| Orbax |
| im not reading that till its in paragraphs. my +0 |
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| colonelcrisp |
| im in engineering... i dont do paragraphs sorrry LOL... i might re formatt it when i get up tommorow |
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nalin
you have to remember that you're asking a bunch of kiddies that have never known true discomfort, never witnessed horrors or had to live under disgustingly cruel conditions with nothing to look forward to, never seen a loved one die right in front of them, always had their stomachs full, etc. in essance if you're looking for people to agree with you that bush should have his throat slit but only after being dipped head first in cow manuer (which any person that doesn't have their brainwashed/ignorant head in their selfish ass can see), you're wasting your time.
it always disgusts me how stupid people chose to be because they live all snug and cozy. this forum is for discussing things that dont matter like why tiesto sucks, or what dj you know for a fact uses drugs, or any variety of girl problems like feminine odours, not for serious issues with people that largely don't care as long as they're confy.
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You have no idea what true discomfort is. And your gross generalization of a group of people you've never seen, much less met, makes you seem as ignorant as those you bestow that very title upon in your post. |
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| Diehard_clubber |
Look, i don't want this turning into a harshing thread people.
Lets try and keep it civilised yeah? |
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| DaveSZ |
| quote: | Originally posted by igottaknow
He's got a well-funded propaganda machine, but even without it the country would be evenly split. People basically vote for their party's candidate regardless of his performance and record. The undecided independent voter in a few crucial states will determine the election’s outcome. Since most support Bush because of his "Christian" values the rest of the other stuff doesn't matter to them so long as he's anti-abortion, anti-gay right, anti-drugs,... |
I'm not some mindless voter who only tows the party line. I know your man is Ralph Nader, and I don't hate Ralph Nader. I think he's a good man, but if he couldn't even get a meager 1000 signatures in the liberal state of Oregon needed to get on the ballot there (a state where he got some 4-5% of the vote in 2000), I think his chances of winning are about as close to 0 as you can get.
Every day that I open the newspaper though gives me a new reason why * should be replaced. Yes, my main beef with him is his domestic agenda, but I also don't look too kindly upon his scaring the out of everyone with lies about mushroom clouds, African uranium, and Iraqi aerial vehicles capable of attacking Eastern Seaboard cities with biological and chemical agents.
I just talked to my aunt (her son is in Iraq) at Easter; she said that even little children are shooting at them and they (the marines) get two hours of sleep a day. The woman is a wreck now. He signed up for the college money.
I can imagine that if some foreign army had invaded America unprovoked, that the people would also fight back too.
On the foreign front, if you think Iran and N. Korea should also be invaded, then by all means vote for the man. That's where they want to invade next, but since he (President Cheney) is a strident unilateralist, I'd suggest you also have your Selective Service card filled out. North Korea will be a blood bath.
It's also obvious * is not the Pres, or he wouldn't have to bring Uncle Dick along to testify at the big boy’s 9/11 hearing:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4653858
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'The Wizard of Oz Letter'
Bush pulls back the curtain on who really runs the White HouseWEB
EXCLUSIVE
By Eleanor Clift
Newsweek
Updated: 1:50 p.m. ET April 02, 2004April 2 - This was the week the curtain got pulled back on the Bush presidency. In exchange for allowing Condoleezza Rice to testify under oath, President Bush gets to bring along his vice president when he appears privately before the commission.
A top Republican strategist dubbed the legal document striking the unusual deal “the Wizard of Oz letter” because it strips away the myth that Bush is in charge. Until now, it’s been all speculation about Vice President Cheney’s influence. With the revelation of the tandem testimony, nobody with a straight face can deny Cheney is a co-president or worse, the puppeteer who pulls Bush’s strings.
Aside from being fodder for the late-night comics, the arrangement confirms Bush’s inability to articulate anything without a script--or a tutor by his side. There’s a reason lawyers don’t take testimony in groups. The whole idea is to get individual recollections and then compare stories to uncover contradictions. Try thinking about it this way: can anyone imagine Bush’s father in a similar situation bringing his vice president? (For those who need a refresher course, the elder Bush was a rocket scientist compared to his son, and the vice president was Dan Quayle.)
Even President Reagan testified alone on the Iran-contra scandal. He didn’t insist on having Vice President Bush sit beside him. Of course, Reagan couldn’t remember much of anything. His faculties were failing as a result of Alzheimer’s disease, which he later revealed. Still, Reagan permitted his testimony to be videotaped.
This is a defining moment in the Bush presidency because it reveals weakness at the top.
What Cheney and the tight circle around Bush are protecting is the myth they have created since 9/11 of a war president astride the world stage. Anybody who punctures that imagery is destroyed. Richard Clarke is only the latest in a series of insiders who have pulled back the curtain. At the center is an incurious president who is so inarticulate that he can’t be left on his own to make a sustained argument on behalf of his policies without falling back on rehearsed talking points and sound bites.
The Democrats must be greatly tempted to lampoon Bush, but they should leave that to Jay Leno and Jon Stewart. John Kerry is smart to stay out of the way when it comes to the 9/11 commission. The Bush strategy is to muddy the picture, castigate Clarke as a disgruntled partisan, and portray his criticisms as nothing but politics. But Clarke’s book is flying off the shelves, and his revelations will be followed later this month by a sequel to “Bush at War” from Bob Woodward of Watergate fame, which the White House is nervously anticipating.
Also due by the end of April is a memoir/expose by Ambassador Joseph Wilson, who angered the administration last year when he went public with his finding that Iraq had not sought uranium from Africa. Wilson’s wife was then exposed as a CIA operative by columnist Robert Novak, who was acting on information provided by the administration. Wilson’s book is titled, “The Politics of Truth.” It could be subtitled: “What I Didn’t Find in Africa.”
Wilson praises Clarke for how he’s handling himself in the media spotlight. “He’s a ferocious bureaucrat,” says Wilson, “and I mean that in the positive sense of the term. He learned to operate in that environment.” When 9/11 commissioner Jim Thompson confronted Clarke on the gap between what he is saying now and the rosy briefings he gave while working the White House, Clarke explained that was politics. Wilson says an effective response would have been to point out to the many lawyers on the 9/11 commission that White House aides are paid to make the case for the president just as lawyers make the case for their client. “If you can’t abide it, then you step away,” says Wilson. “Clarke was in it for the long haul, to roll back Al Qaeda.”
Clarke said under oath that he would not accept a job with the Kerry campaign, and he asked an activist group (MoveOn.org) to stop using his voice on an ad bashing Bush. What Clarke said has been said before, that the Bush administration was slow to recognize the terrorist threat before 9/11 and that going to war in Iraq was unnecessary and has made us less safe. The difference is who’s saying it. Clark is not some Washington time-server. He’s the ultimate serious guy who knows what he’s doing and cares passionately about countering terrorism. He was Bush’s crisis manager on 9/11, the man who sat in the chair in the Situation Room while other top aides fled to safety.
The person whose reputation got hurt the most during the Clarke counterattack was Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, who went to the Senate floor to threaten Clarke with perjury. It was crude character assassination, and it opened the door for Democrats to make the same accusation against Condoleezza Rice, who has made more conflicting statements than Clarke. The danger is not that Rice might actually be prosecuted, but the charge is political mud, and it might stick.
© 2004 Newsweek, Inc.
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Cheney's vindictive disclosure of the identity of an undercover CIA agent put her life at risk, and the lives of those around her at risk.
I'll say it again: Cheney should be in cuffs and an orange jumpsuit. |
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| DaveSZ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
Oh yeah. I also payed over 250 thousand dollars in taxes a few years ago. Ill vote for anyone with some dang tax cuts. |
I guess you can probably buy your way out of the draft then.
There's another famous individual who did the same during Vietnam, but I cannot quite put my finger on his name...
I do know his daddy was an honerable war hero though.
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| cviper |
| quote: | | George W. Bush betrayed Roy Moore. When Justice Roy Moore and his supporters declared that the Ten Commandments have a place in the America's courts of law, George W. Bush cut and run. Bush pretended that he didn't even know us, like Peter denying Jesus. |
| quote: | | George W. Bush betrayed Lieutenant General William Boykin. When Boykin told the truth about America's war against terror, saying that it is really a war against Satan, Bush denied knowing anything about it. We know very well that Bush and Boykin have talked about this very thing in the White House together, but again Bush pretended that he didn't even know about it. |
| quote: | | Bush has taken part in Shinto ceremonies, bowing down to idols at a Shinto temple in Japan. Blasphemy and idolatry is not Christian behavior. Judge Roy Moore would never do such a thing. |
| quote: | | George W. Bush has actually increased the funding for the National Endowment for the Arts, which funds blasphemy! |
| quote: | | Bush has sent American soldiers to serve under United Nations authority. |
omg. I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry after reading that.
IMO, religion & politics don't mix very well and should be kept apart as far as possible. |
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| DaveSZ |
| quote: | Originally posted by cviper
omg. I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry after reading that.
IMO, religion & politics don't mix very well and should be kept apart as far as possible. |
LOL tell that to the Fundies. |
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