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What's with this stupid food tax? (pg. 4)
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by b4k-oz
SHAME ON YOU FOR SUPPORTING THE CANADIAN SKULLS!!!! |
You are a sensationalist socialist. There is no point on even discussing this with you.
Christ - I'm glad you're not running the gov't. It'd be perpetually in the red. |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by b4k-oz
LETS NOT FORGET THE INCREDIBLE RAISES |
I think that MPs, MLAs and MPPs are still horribly underpaid.
Going to work in public office shouldn't be some "charity" exercise.
Maybe if we paid these people more we'd attract some better talent. Why would a lawyer making $500k, a doctor making $300k, a scientist or academic making $250k leave their jobs to go into politics? |
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| psychosomatica |
| It's more like anybody in the right mind wouldn't go into politics :haha: |
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| b4k-oz |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
You are painfully confused.
Trudeau and his "multicultural" pissing of cash is why we even have a massive debt to begin with.
Don't get me wrong - I believe 100% in multiculturalism - but unfortunately it was an expensive liberal experiment that didn't work (except for spending huge amounts of cash at the tax payer's expense). |
Look I didn't post because I get some kick out of pissing people off, but what I write is based on facts and not media hype. Perhaps it would be best for you to read "Canadian Politics and Goverment by W.L White/R.H. Wagenberg/R.C. Nelson" and if you took some History, Legal and Political Science courses in University, you could discover that I am basing things on fact.
The multicultural spending was not as significant as you make it out to be, and the surplus was used for it. The experiment would have worked, only the Tories decided to neglect and sabotage it when they came into office.
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
You are a sensationalist socialist. There is no point on even discussing this with you.
Christ - I'm glad you're not running the gov't. It'd be perpetually in the red. |
So now that you've called me a name, does that make you feel better? Basically, the reason you don't want to discuss this is because your afraid that I may hold some valid arguments. And you've totally sidestepped the whole Mulroney responsibility.
Look I'll agree that by calling the Tories--skulls may be harsh. But I was trying to get the point across that it's not just the Liberals. The Tories have their hands just as dirty--only they hide it better because they've had more practice.
I'm not saying I liked what Chretien did in office and truthfully I would have preferred someone else. I mean even Trudeau's Memoir practically called Chretien a lilly livered woos with no balls. And yes Chretien did make mistakes, only not as severe as Joe Clark (Tory) who lost the vote of confidence.
And factually it was, Diefenbaker(T), Person (L), Trudeau (L), Joe Clark (T), Trudeau (L) again. Historically he did get us out of 2 recessions. http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/a....asp?Language=E
You cannot negate that Mulroney sold out Canada by instilling privatization (Selling Air Can--now in bankruptcy) and passing the GST. If you just took the time to do your history homework you would know his family had vested interest with the Americans when these deals happened. How could you think that being in Politics is a charity when corruption like this is so flagrant. And then Mulroney sues us for investigating him. Again the taxpayer had to cough up for him.
FYI, it is people like me who want a better & responsible government. And my point to all of this is that keeping a Liberals value is better than being controlled by a government that disrespects the voice of the people that elected them.
Besides, you don't go into politics for the income, you go because of the fringe tax benefits and pension plan.
Please don't let yourself be swayed by the propaganda, and don't think that I'm your mortal enemy because I want to clarify the misinformation. |
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| Jayx1 |
First off...anybody who believes that Walkerton was Harris' fault probably also blames Harris for snowstorms and tornados. The only person at fault for that was the lazy fat drunken SOB who routinely fudged the sample results and then failed to notify residents when the water was dirty.
Also, How did Harris violate your human rights? You never eleborated there.
Closed Hospitals and Schools? on one hand yes he did. But i look around to the brand new wings of hospitals and 1000's of new beds that opened as well. York County (newmarket) York Central (Richmond Hill) and North York General are 2 huge examples that i can think of just in my area.
407? yes you are right i didnt agree with that.
As for conservatives vs liberals? My rant wasnt about that. I dont care who you vote for as long as it isnt the liberals because this time around its the liberals who have been caught with their hand in the cookie jar. They have not been good for canada. They have outright stolen from us, lied to us and wasted out money.
The conservatives may turn out to be not much better. But thats a chance im willing to take. My point is that i would rather vote for someone who MAY lie and steal than someone who already has a proven track record of doing so.
My own personal political views? Well honestly im a socially liberal conservative spender.... in other words I am all for doing whatever it is you want to do in life as long as it doesnt harm others and as long as you dont make me pay for it (this is what the liberals are SUPPOSED TO BE but arent)
Time to start a new party! |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by b4k-oz
FYI, it is people like me who want a better & responsible government. And my point to all of this is that keeping a Liberals value is better than being controlled by a government that disrespects the voice of the people that elected them.
Besides, you don't go into politics for the income, you go because of the fringe tax benefits and pension plan.
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I guess Liberal values for better and responsible government includes 130 million dollar Adscam corruption? Lying about the GST? backstabbing your former deputy prime minister in a riding election? "Losing" $1 Billion Dollars in the human resources dept? Lying about conflict of interest in the Grand Mere fiasco and then using your power to suppress the subsequent investigation? $2 billion for a useless gun registry that was supposed to cost $20 million? (i would have used the $2 billion for more police and better community services designed to steer kids away from crime) or better yet, to fight the debt.
If these are Liberal values you can keep them
PS i havnt even touched on the current provincial Liberal Mcguinty disaster that is unfolding.... |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
http://www.nomealtax.ca/
They want to start taxing food that is under 4 dollars if you buy it at school, cafeteria, hospital or restaurant.
So if you buy a donut and a coffee at Timmie's you will get charged another 8 percent on top of everything else. |
i AM SO PISSED. GOVERNMENT CANT EVEN USE THE TAXES PROPERLY, AND NOW THEY WANT TO ADD MORE TAXES?!? What about the people who don't earn much money, and spend it mostly on food, and now shove this in their face ....
Taxes are very high over here in Ontario anyway. It hurts so much everytime I hear or read about how people in charge of using the taxpayer money abuse the system! Bullsh--t. |
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| StereoPrincess |
From what I read in the paper today, this food tax is apperently a re-issuing of a tax exeption for cheap food. I don't know about any of you guys but I'm sure I pay the full 15% already for everything. What they say is that we are supposed to be only paying 7% and this 8% is just to bring it back to normal. For a bagel that cost 2 bucks I already pay 30 cents tax so now I'm going to have to pay 46 cents? It just doesn't make any sense.
Should I be raising a stink at the bagel shop and tell them that they are not supposed to yet charge me 15% but only 7%?
At the grocery store you don't pay tax on meat or produce. Can they charge you tax on an apple in the convenience store when they don't have to pay that tax to the government.
I'm just getting the feeling that I'm getting screwed. |
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| b4k-oz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
First off...anybody who believes that Walkerton was Harris' fault probably also blames Harris for snowstorms and tornados. The only person at fault for that was the lazy fat drunken SOB who routinely fudged the sample results and then failed to notify residents when the water was dirty.
Also, How did Harris violate your human rights? You never eleborated there.
Closed Hospitals and Schools? on one hand yes he did. But i look around to the brand new wings of hospitals and 1000's of new beds that opened as well. York County (newmarket) York Central (Richmond Hill) and North York General are 2 huge examples that i can think of just in my area.
...As for conservatives vs liberals? My rant wasnt about that. I dont care who you vote for as long as it isnt the liberals because this time around its the liberals who have been caught with their hand in the cookie jar. They have not been good for canada. They have outright stolen from us, lied to us and wasted out money.
The conservatives may turn out to be not much better. But thats a chance im willing to take. My point is that i would rather vote for someone who MAY lie and steal than someone who already has a proven track record of doing so.
My own personal political views.... in other words I am all for doing whatever it is you want to do in life as long as it doesnt harm others and as long as you dont make me pay for it (this is what the liberals are SUPPOSED TO BE but arent)
Time to start a new party! |
The violation of human rights was a generalization based on the number of lives that were lost as a result of his common sense practice. I know I could elaborate on it in detail but it would take several days to finish it--and frankly I don't have the time right now.
The new hospitals and private beds were done privately with no financial backing by the government. That is the fact.
Yes the Liberals got caught in the cookie jar. But the damage done by the Tories is much greater than what the Liberals did. I'll bet you didn't know that when the Tories were in power, a multi-million dollar computer got up and walked out of a military base. When it was brought up in Parliament, it was hushed for the sake of National Security. And those illegal brain washing experiments on Canadians by an American Doctor were given the seal of approval by the Tories and also hushed for the sake of National Security. BTW 500 randomly selected Canadians were experimented on, and at last count, less than 200 survived.
If you don't want to vote for someone that has a proven track record for lying, stealing and harming others--then I guess you shouldn't vote for the Tories, because they are the first to do all of this. Only they, are uncrupulous enough to use the RCMP or CSIS to keep things quiet for the sake of their National pocket Security.
Maybe it is time to start a new party ;) |
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| b4k-oz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
I guess Liberal values for better and responsible government includes 130 million dollar Adscam corruption? Lying about the GST? backstabbing your former deputy prime minister in a riding election? "Losing" $1 Billion Dollars in the human resources dept? Lying about conflict of interest in the Grand Mere fiasco and then using your power to suppress the subsequent investigation? $2 billion for a useless gun registry that was supposed to cost $20 million? (i would have used the $2 billion for more police and better community services designed to steer kids away from crime) or better yet, to fight the debt.
If these are Liberal values you can keep them
PS i havnt even touched on the current provincial Liberal Mcguinty disaster that is unfolding.... |
You see...this is the problem--Media Hype.
Please take the time to do the Historical reading and open your eyes, because it is not the first time the things you've mentioned has happened.
How about I end this by saying "Give Peace a Chance" (I mean between you and I).
Meanwhile we don't go into politics, it's not like what we say even matters.
Believe me when I say that my having campaigned for both the Tories and the Liberals, has tought me that the Liberals are not as devious. |
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| PartyHarlequin |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
It is supposed to be a "fat tax" designed to recover some of the health care costs as a result of people pounding back Big Mac's all day long.
The problem is - it doesn't tax just unhealthy food. You buy an apple or banana on your lunch - you gotta pay tax. You buy a salad - you pay tax.
This is why I would lever vote for the provincial liberal party - their intentions seem to be good - but they generally f**k things up in the details.
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Plus - doesn't anybody remember the promise "we will not raise taxes for the people of ontario"???
Christ - I already pay 50% tax (including income, gst and pst) and now I gotta pay more?
Just because they don't increase my income tax - doesn't mean they aren't increasing taxes.
IMO there should be outrage with this type of activity. |
The problem with the liberal party is that everyone is willing to believe the lies they tell. At least the conservatives tell you you're going to get ed. Not say how they won't do things and then immediately make excuses for doing them, when they suddenly realize they have no money. Like wtf, they didn't know they didn't have the money to start with? |
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| drgoodvibe |
| quote: | Originally posted by PartyHarlequin
The problem with the liberal party is that everyone is willing to believe the lies they tell. At least the conservatives tell you you're going to get ed. Not say how they won't do things and then immediately make excuses for doing them, when they suddenly realize they have no money. Like wtf, they didn't know they didn't have the money to start with? |
one is not more honorouble when before he stabs you in the back calls out that he is stabbing you in the back. Conservatives are just as shady by hiding the massive debt for so long. In fact in my eyes its much worse then anything the Liberals have done so far. |
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