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TA needs a "Sieg Heil" smilie (pg. 3)
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| YaleTrance |
but in context, he was replying to Floorfiller's post:
| quote: | | good all of you get out...perhaps if the rest of the retards, rednecks, and misc other stupid people leave we might have one hell of a country... |
which implies that someone that wants to leave the US, for whatever reason, is a retard, a redneck, or "misc other stupid people".
so I guess that now they're even. |
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| Boomer187 |
| quote: | Originally posted by YaleTrance
but in context, he was replying to Floorfiller's post:
which implies that someone that wants to leave the US, for whatever reason, is a retard, a redneck, or "misc other stupid people".
so I guess that now they're even. |
| quote: | Originally posted by th0m
Nah, its the people that would never think about leaving the US that are the retards and rednecks. |
I know it is pointless to pick at specifics but in all reality th0m was saying that no (nah) floorfiller was wrong in thinking that if all the rest of the rednecks etc left we would have a hell of a country, instead th0m believes that those that want to stay, floorfiller included i gather, are retards and rednecks.
anyways, It was a really stupid thing to say on th0ms part and I hope he can realise this. |
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| nrjizer |
Should Bush be re-elected (or Kerry acts like a complete douche bag) we should indeed recognize Loyalty Day. Take some time on that day to raise awareness of how our president's "Loyalty" to the founding concepts of this country involves trampling those rights and concepts. You can do this for any future administration who are complete asshats.
I'll be spending my May 1st's honoring those who fought and died >228 years ago and the ideals they fought and died for. |
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| montie |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
If you are born in the United States and dont feel that this country represents what you think is best, and then have someone say "well its your country you should respect it" |
its sad, being "American" consists of having the right to disagree with your government when its not representing what you represent. much of that has been lost today. now aparently to alot of americans, thats "unpatriotic"
or if you don't support a war, aparently you automatically don't support the troops |
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| DaveSZ |
Leaving the country while there's still a chance to move away from fascism is the coward's way out.
Anyways, as long as Asscrotch is in power, he'll continue to push through unconstitutional legislation just as he's always done (even while he was a senator).
He's a fanatical traitor to this country and everything it stands for.
http://www.austinchronicle.com/issu...ols_naked7.html
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Naked City
Patriot II, Piece by Piece
BY JORDAN SMITH
Rep. Ron Paul, R-Surfside, calls the new law allowing financial snooping "outrageous and unacceptable."
While the so-called Patriot Act II -- a wish list of sweeping powers dreamed up last year by U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft to augment 2001's USA PATRIOT Act -- disappeared shortly after a draft copy was made public early last year, it did not die. In fact, on Saturday, Dec. 13 -- as news of Saddam Hussein's capture drove the news cycle -- President George W. Bush signed into law a bill that will allow the federal government broad access to individuals' financial records without a court order. This allows the government to sidestep decades-old financial privacy laws, all in the name of preventing terrorism.
House Bill 2417, the Intelligence Authorization Act for fiscal year 2004, debuted in Congress last June, and was pushed back and forth between the House and Senate for nearly five months before finally making its way to Bush's desk on Dec. 2. The lengthy perennial bill authorizes appropriations for all intelligence-related activities and, on the whole, is fairly standard. However, the final bill was amended by the Senate to include a section that redefines and broadens the phrase "financial institution" -- an obscure yet sweeping change that, at least until challenged in court, will allow the federal government the ability to snoop into nearly every financial aspect of individuals' lives.
Previously, federal law enforcement officials could gain access to individuals' financial records from a bank only if those individuals were suspected of crimes and only after gaining the approval of a federal judge. But the new IAA not only allows the feds to snoop through financial records without a warrant and without demonstrating the person is actually a suspect in a crime, but also broadens the arena for snooping. The legal definition of "financial institution" previously referred only to banks. But now, the feds can examine financial records held by stockbrokers, car dealerships, casinos, credit card companies, insurance agents, jewelers, airlines, pawnbrokers, the U.S. Postal Service, and any other business "whose cash transactions have a high degree of usefulness in criminal, tax, or regulatory matters." Federal law enforcers need only draft a "National Security Letter" requesting the records in order to get them.
This change ultimately passed the U.S. House, but not before a handful of legislators -- including Texas Rep. Ron Paul, R-Surfside -- voiced stern opposition. "These expanded internal police powers will enable the FBI to demand transaction records from businesses ... without the approval or knowledge of a judge or grand jury," Paul said during a speech from the House floor on Nov. 20. "This was written into the bill at the 11th hour over the objections of members of the Senate Judiciary Committee, which would normally have jurisdiction over the FBI. The Judiciary Committee was frozen out of the process. It appears we are witnessing a stealth enactment of the enormously unpopular 'Patriot II' legislation that was first leaked several months ago. Perhaps the national outcry when a draft of the Patriot II act was leaked has led its supporters to enact it one piece at a time in secret. Whatever the case, this is outrageous and unacceptable."
In the end Paul was one of 163 legislators (including fellow Texans Lloyd Doggett and Sheila Jackson Lee and presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich) to vote against the entire IAA solely because of the draconian amendment. "How this will take effect and what the limits of it are will probably be fought out in the courts," said Paul spokesman Jeff Deist. So far, Deist said, the IAA amendment is the first of the so-called Patriot II measures to make its way into legislation, but he expects it won't be the last. "January is a whole new ballgame," he said.
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| PHALPAX |
| hhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.........*nods*...........*nods again*.........political forum anyone? |
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| DaveSZ |
| quote: | Originally posted by PHALPAX
hhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.........*nods*...........*nods again*.........political forum anyone? |
Oh ok.
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| PHALPAX |
| quote: | Originally posted by DaveSZ
Oh ok.
:D |
The COR should try to remain somewhat neutral. I know, and you know, that 90% of Euros and South Americans here on TA "dislike" the U.S. so I don't see why there should be anti-American squawking in the COR, there is plenty of it in the political forum, hence the purpose of seperate forums. |
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| YaleTrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by DaveSZ
Leaving the country while there's still a chance to move away from fascism is the coward's way out.
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Are you calling me a coward? :rolleyes:
If I leave the country it's not because I'm afraid of Bush's policies or anything of that sort. It would be for these reasons:
1. I have no patriotic allegiance to any country, I like to think of myself as a global citizen who speaks 4 languages. I'm a foreigner everywhere except in a small disenfranchised colony.
2. I personally enjoy the quality of life in Europe much more than the one in the US.
3. I feel more at home in the social democratic countries of Europe. More free to do as I wish without looking over my shoulder all the time.
4. The birthplace of Western civilization has a much more vibrant cultural life, including the edm scene.
5. European girls are hotter (except in the UK).
and many other reasons I could come up with later, but being afraid has nothing to do with it. |
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| TranceGiant |
| quote: | Originally posted by YaleTrance
I lived in Amsterdam for almost a year and it was the most amazing experience of my life. I will probably go to law school in Barcelona and then try to settle down somewhere in Central Europe, hopefully.... |
Viennese Law faculty ain't too bad ;) |
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| YaleTrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceGiant
Viennese Law faculty ain't too bad ;) |
heh, I bet. Do they have a program in English?
I plan on taking German next year, but I probably won't be fluent in a while... |
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