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Can someone from Europe possibly explain this to me (pg. 2)
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| cammie |
| quote: | Originally posted by DaveSZ
It must be like NASCAR here in the States.
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OMG that pic is just nasty.....i hate hairy backs, ewwwwww..... :whip: :whip: :whip: |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by cammie
OMG that pic is just nasty.....i hate hairy backs, ewwwwww..... :whip: :whip: :whip: |
put he shaved it!
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| NYCTrancefan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
Oh no you've got it all mistaken NYC. The Scandanavians aren't racist! God no! They are simply expressing their artisitc opinions and free speech.
Don't expect an apology from them anytime soon either:rolleyes:
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Now, Now be nice Yoepus:D you know its easier to express one's artistic opinions about "other people" in a homogenous society, but that's another subject alltogether. I still love their women though:) but being black one might spit on me as they did to the Football player, nevermind afterall. |
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| Q5echo |
| now that's perspective^^^ |
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| DR86 |
| Vesa, I <3 you. you own me. |
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| TranceMessiah |
I don't blame any european for being a racist. The real racist are the liberal's who let all these blacks and asians into europe, who are destroying the unique european identity.
How dare you insult Norwiegains, NYC trance fan. Norway is for them they can be racist if they want. Why should you tell them how to run their own countries. |
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| trancaholic |
Vesa: It sounds like you are having an awful time in Finland, but I need to ask: How much do you know of the state of affairs in the rest of Scandinavia? For instance, Denmark is ruled by a center right government, and took quite a bit of criticism when introducing new and stricter immigration laws some years ago. Doesn't fit with the politically correct socialist picture you paint.
I just can't recognize my daily life in the horror stories you tell.
NYC: I think you are jumping at a non-issue. Soccer, as Spin Doctor said, attracts the low-IQ low-income generally-pissed-at-the-world sorts of people. I have heard shouts at soccer matches that would be more appropriate in a war zone, and groups of "special fans" are routinely followed closely by police whenever they are at the matches (and afterwards).
You can find sad personalities everywhere in the world, and I would say that you are being a little naive if you think that Scandinavia somehow could manage to stear clear of such elements. |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceMessiah
I don't blame any european for being a racist. The real racist are the liberal's who let all these blacks and asians into europe, who are destroying the unique european identity.
How dare you insult Norwiegains, NYC trance fan. Norway is for them they can be racist if they want. Why should you tell them how to run their own countries. |
Yea thats the spirit!
Now shut up when the Americans build pyrmaids out of Iraqis and when Israel decides it doesn't like Palestinian architecture!
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancaholic
NYC: I think you are jumping at a non-issue. Soccer, as Spin Doctor said, attracts the low-IQ low-income generally-pissed-at-the-world sorts of people. I have heard shouts at soccer matches that would be more appropriate in a war zone, and groups of "special fans" are routinely followed closely by police whenever they are at the matches (and afterwards).
You can find sad personalities everywhere in the world, and I would say that you are being a little naive if you think that Scandinavia somehow could manage to stear clear of such elements. |
Agreed. And just so that it has been said: I don't see why Norway has to apologize itself just because a dozen football fans decided to act like racist retards. That action is taken against it and that the problem is recognized should be more than enough. |
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| NYCTrancefan |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceMessiah
I don't blame any european for being a racist. The real racist are the liberal's who let all these blacks and asians into europe, who are destroying the unique european identity.
How dare you insult Norwiegains, NYC trance fan. Norway is for them they can be racist if they want. Why should you tell them how to run their own countries. |
That's correct Norway is for Norwegians they can spit and curse at whatever subhuman they want because its their country, you are the biggest dope around what a way to answer a post. I don't see anyone telling Norway how to run their country, this individual was playing for a Norwegian football club and was treated in this way by supposed human beings. How about I spit and curse at you based on skin color and my own ignorance and see how you view it. You enter here with your own notions about the subject already by your statements at the beginning of your post.
For the rest of you guys that felt this was not a big deal it is interesting to note that my topic was examining an issue that is part of European football culture and not only isolated as people would like to believe. For you Sand Leaper I wonder if one of the best Norewgian player Jon Carew has had to deal with this considering that he is Norwegian and plays for the National Team as well. There is something called respect for others and when people feel they are above and beyond treating others with that quality then they are scums in my book. I wouldn't even fathom spitting in another person's face because of who they are. |
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| NYCTrancefan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vesa
Here's my blunt explanation. The truth may hurt, but in the end it's usually better to say it like it is.
Many European countries (Scandinavian countries especially) have been run for a long time by the politically correct crowd who use totalitarian methods to stick to power and completely dominate the media. Just look at what happened to Vlaams Blok in Belgium. Fair competion in politics does not exist here. And to Yoepus: the so-called "free speech" means only that Socialists are free to criticize Israel. Ordinary guys are persecuted by law for any politically incorrect speech. In Soviet Socialism, they killed those with loose lips, but in Scandinavian Socialism, you just lose your job and maybe your future.
The Scandinavian welfare state has gained much favourable publicity, but it's stumbling ahead on inertia alone. It's obvious to any sane observer on the street that we are sinking fast. Literally, I can't believe my eyes when I go out. Not many guys here are good enough to make it against US-level competition. Our lousy politicians don't have a clue. Especially, what on earth are the Socialists and Greens thinking?! Legalizing cannabis and other miniscule issues seem to preoccupy their minds, while decisive issues such as enterprise, unemployment and education are brushed aside. We'll run out of money soon if we continue with this kind of silly politics. Just like it's now obvious that Soviet Communism couldn't work, it will be similarly obvious after a couple of decades that Scandinavian Socialism can't work.
One current favourite issue of Socialists and politically correct Liberals is uncontrolled and irresponsible immigration. Of course, anything else uncontrolled and irresponsible is similarly loved by them because they are idealists and detached from reality. You know the ultra-feminist, pro-rainbow, anti-military type who gets her kicks out of rebellious (read: naive) politics. For example, our current President and Foreign Minister are former hardcore student radicals. If you say something bad about them in public, the media is going to shut you up. They love to play a game of chicken with our countries, and they aren't going to allow anyone stop their funny game.
Very sadly, when a European real man sees an immigrant (a black immigrant especially), he automatically associates him with politically correct stupid politicians. Seeing a black man with a Socialist white woman is doubly bad because then you see both who's running this place and what's her main preoccupation. Normal guys can't properly voice their objections against these reversed priorities, so a lot of their frustration is poured on immigrants, resulting in racistic attacks.
Too bad that the US only defeated European Communism. If the US had defeated every type of European sissy Socialism as well, there would now be much less racism in Europe. Then immigration would be associated with responsible politics instead of with cabinet feminists. But I understand that the US had other more pressing things to do after having already done so much against the Soviet Union.
This explanation may sound funny (and I admit I was joking a bit), but Scandinavia is dying under Socialist and Liberal policies. Just look at the totalitarian response after this soccer episode from the news media and the (sports) bureaucracy. Whenever they have an opportunity to go on a crusade against the ordinary guy, they do it. And moreover, they do it in a way which is more hypocritical than even the US fundamentalists at their worst.
Soccer fans are mostly men who know what they see, and when they can't escape Socialist policies even temporarily during a soccer match, they get mad as hell. If the black guy had just said afterwards briefly on TV that the fans went overboard, they might have realized their mistake. But when it was taken up by the politically correct media, now the fans may not regret at all because the media makes them puke.
But if you had asked them at the soccer match what they think about top politicians, then you might have gotten a nastier response, even surpassing their racistic attitudes. That would tell you where the real problem lies, and where the hatred really comes from. Often after talking with a black guy in person, they change their attitudes because they realize they are just talking to another man. But after talking with a politically correct politician in person, they just get angrier. The easiest way to avoid their aggression is to avoid becoming guilty by PC association. |
I wanted to personally respond to your statements Vesa. Judging from what you are saying for someone who lives in a Socialist culture one has to have a superiority complex to hold such feelings about another person they don't even know, not saying you personally, but the real European men that you speak of. Yoiu afterall remarked at the end that they might change their opinions after talking with a black person for example.
I am certainly aware of the issues facing Europe on the thorny subject of immigration, the way I usually examine this however is through integration or multi-culturalism, the latter for which I don't care for. If you are in someone's country learn the language and cultural history of the people of that nation it's the least you can do as a guest. Moreover if these Socialists politicians attitudes and policies are so aggravating then why are they in power in the very first place:conf: As far as immigration goes every nation has the right to set up their own policies. Norway is not a part of the E.U. but I do note that even Europeans are prevented from moving into another country easily, primarily East to West even though the E.U. expanded and free movements was a hallmark of the Union. I believe that only Great Britain and one other E.U nation will allow Eastern European immigrants in without much hassles, the rest are haggling over the issue. Anyway I never referenced immigrants or the social policies contra or pro in Europe much less Scandanavia and Norway specifically that affects them. This player could have been treated like this in other parts of Europe as well because he was black and playing professional football in the wrong place at the wrong time, eg.
1. English player Kevin Campbell while playing in Turkey referred to as an ugly monkey by the Turkish club director, transferred back to England.
2. A well known British football analyst the other day referred to Marcelle Desailly, the French football veteran, as being referred to as a ing lazy ****** in the football world, he said this while off camera but still miked, he explained it was a off the cuff commentary:rolleyes:
3. Since I follow Arsenal FC, I am aware that players like Thierry Henry, Patrick Viera, world class players have had to deal with people spitting at them, throwing bottles from the stands, etc. Now that is not naivety but reality of what happens, does that mean you can't walk down the streets of course not but what makes the everyday person behave like this when they purchase a ticket is beyond me, long live freedom of speech just not violence in the world's game. |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by NYCTrancefan
For the rest of you guys that felt this was not a big deal that is your perspective. It is interesting to note that my statement was examining an issue that is part of European football culture and not only isolated as people would like to believe.
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It's not that we want to believe it's isolated, it's the fact that we recognized the problem ages ago and are in the process of doing something about it, which is way past the stage where we stand paralyzed with disgust at the fact that something like this still happens, the stage which this thread indicates that you are right now, NYC. I still find it somewhat hard to believe that your view of Europe was that positive considering all the that's been going on.
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For you Sand Leaper I wonder if one of the best Norewgian player Jon Carew has had to deal with this considering that he is Norwegian and plays for the National Team as well. There is something called respect for others and when people feel they are above and beyond treating others with that quality then they are scums in my book. I wouldn't even fathom spitting in another person's face because of who they are. |
As far as Carew is concerned, he got similar remarks as Russel in a match against Boznia-Hercegovina. That being said, here at home several black players are currently on various national league teams, and I've heard nothing of any racist remarks against them. So it might be a bit more isolated than you think. |
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