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| OurManFlint |
| I seem to have the problem under control and I know which records play louder than others, but why do some records have louder volume. I barley put the volume up on one record and it almost takes over the sound of the other, and some don't play loud at all, even with the volume fully crancked up. Is this some problem with the actual record? |
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| Vero |
| i have lots of records taht are higher or lower volume, i think its just something with the quality of the press. |
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| djtrinity |
i'm not 100% on this and probably am wrong but i think it has to do with the RMS of the trax...rms is the average constant output of the track ...some master the track real loud like -6db while others will normalize lower......so your led meters will still read '0' but one will be louder because the RMS is louder....thats why alot of guys prefer vu meters for checking level...VU meters measure rms...( i also might add your want to keep them a little less then '0' vs LED's are for the peak where u might want to run them a slight bit above..
if u look at the led meter sometimes they will appear bouncy....thats usually a low rms track with high peaks
other times the will appear more stable ...thats usually a indication of of a heavy bass/high rms track..
these are just my opinions....i am not an engineer;) |
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| DJ Kibon |
| quote: | Originally posted by OurManFlint
I seem to have the problem under control and I know which records play louder than others, but why do some records have louder volume. I barley put the volume up on one record and it almost takes over the sound of the other, and some don't play loud at all, even with the volume fully crancked up. Is this some problem with the actual record? |
This is fairly common, though I only have a couple of tracks that significantly loud or quiet. One quiet track I have is Fragma - Everytime You Need Me, and one that is quite loud would be Jon The Dentist - Global Phases (Agnelli & Nelson 2004 remix).
I don't think it's a quality issue, just a matter of the levels used when they press the vinyl. Sort of like recording something on your computer at one input volume or a higher one, except in this case it's represented physically by the vinyl. It doesn't really bug me all that much, just means I have to turn the gain waaaaay down when playing Global Phases. |
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| tranceDJ |
| Thats why they invented the gain feature on mixers...not all tracks are going to be the same volume and you don't want to kill your speakers with a track thats too loud. |
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| Dmatrox |
| quote: | Originally posted by tranceDJ
Thats why they invented the gain feature on mixers...not all tracks are going to be the same volume and you don't want to kill your speakers with a track thats too loud. |
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| OurManFlint |
| I already know how to deal with the different levels, I was just asking why some records are louder than others. |
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| tu_face |
| quote: | Originally posted by djtrinity
if u look at the led meter sometimes they will appear bouncy....thats usually a low rms track with high peaks
other times the will appear more stable ...thats usually a indication of of a heavy bass/high rms track..
these are just my opinions....i am not an engineer;) |
i would agree with your opinions :p
yeah keeping your eye on how bouncy the LED's are is a very good bit of advice that will save you from pounding your next track in too loud/quiet.
its not a problem per se with the record. its all to do with how its mastered, and how the tune is put together. for example, a breaks track would be very bouncy, as the beat is broken and sometimes the track is quiet between phrases and beats. with techno, there is always something going on, and it is rarely broken in structure, and will thus be one of the more 'stable' tracks on the LED thing |
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| rafale |
| Yeah thats what the gain channels are for. Sometimes I think it could be the needle too. It affects the sound levels to a certain extent. |
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| SgtFoo |
the deeper the grooves from the pressing, the louder the record.
the depper the grooves, more space is needed to for the grooves.
If the grooves are shallow, the record will be quieter and take up less space on the pressing.
and so...
We as DJs have been given the gift of VU (volume unit) meters on each channel of the mixer, so when you cue up a track, match it's peak VU reading to the other, such as 2 yellows or only 1 yellow or 1 red. BUT NEVER MAX OUT THE VU METER! YOU WILL CLIP AND DISTORT THE SOUND!. |
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| moondog |
| so what do you recommend for us beginners who have e mixers with no VU meter then, how do you match volume, seems to be a really annoying problem for me ATM |
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| paranoik0 |
| that VU meter thing seems cool, never heard of before, do the record shops usually list those little details about the mixers? what are the mixers that have those kind of LED's? |
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