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Is prisoner abuse in Iraq overblown???
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| Shakka |
In response to the title of the thread, the answer is YES.
I'd like to share a letter that I got through the grapevine(I have some connections) from a Lieutentant currently serving in Iraq. I can vouch for both the source and validity of the follwoing text.
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iraq sends its regards. all 29 million weirdos over here. things right now are pretty slow, thankfully. the big whoop dee doo about the prisoner abuse is running its course in Iraq. I have locals all the time teeling me how bad americans are; the implication is that some americans deserve to die for their wickedness. these people don't separate actors from actions nor actors from the greater group they are from. to these people, a soldier is an american occupier, and there is little difference between members of a group. they are very tribal over here, and the tribes do not always get a long, so this extends to the feelings towards outsiders. we're pigeonholed on a daily basis into stereotypes that don't fit, but we lack the communication assests and the education assets to really change these people. they are very very backwards, and the bloodlust over here is scary.
i see those "poor iraqi" prisoners, and i don't see a poor oppressed people under the strongarm of abuse. i see iraqis that were arrested because they probably tried to kill americans or aided in the innocent life taking process in some way, active or passive. i don't see americans showing their true colors as abusers and negligent of international rights. I see bored soldiers doing immature things because thats what bored immature people would do. i don't think that it is right, for it most certainly is wrong, but i don't see why it has been the huge media sensation that is has been. these people are at their root, for whatever reason, careless for human life if not wickedly trying to extinguish it. sympathy for the devil.
the soldier that is riding along and gets blown to bits by an explosive placed on the side of the road is a true victim. the soldier who is responding to an Iraqis plee for help and who is lured into an ambush and his head cut off by an RPG that finally finds its target in his buddy's chest is a victim. the iraqi people danced in the street with the bloody helmet for hours after. the contractors that are led by terrorists dressed as local police to be burned alive in their trucks and bodies strung up on bridges, they are victims. the people that dance and singl at the site of murder, they are not victims. i find bodies in cars here of iraqis executed while tied up. headless victims of a culture that respects force and understands little else.
the american people hopefully are not buying this and are keeping their priorities straight. i hope the media has not turned this into another victimization scandal. its absurd to even consider. In our very own prison systems, rape and abuse is commonplace. severe beatings and the worst atrocities one can think of happen in our own prisons, to Americans under the civil and moral rights we bestow all american citizens. but "don't drop the soap" has become a punchline, and not a frontline. So these Iraqi people, who routinely engage in male on male sexual activity with children no older than 10, are not worthy of the sensational victimization that this situation is receiving.
i'll tell you what the ground truth is over here in small pieces at a time, a snapshot of a culture with no regard for human life and lesser respect for the law. a people so ignorant that they do not want to escape it and find it easier to live under oppression than to step up and pull themselves together. as soon as we leave, the people will kill each other. tribe against tribe, race versus race. and it will be brutal and thoughtless, innocent people will die and the world history book will remember these people as a culture that wars and kills and dies.
morality is a weapon only against us here. it doesn't translate everywhere.
I ensure that my soldiers follow strict moral law here. i enforce it because i know the secondary and tertiary effects of acts of indecency in a country in which we are surrounded by potential enemies. I do not treat Iraqis in any manner which is more disrespectful than they treat each other. Coalition forces are the only shred of morality and integrity over here. And as unfortunate as the prisoner abuse was, it is absolutely dwarfed on a daily level by what these people do to each other and to coalition forces.
i am obviously sickened by the attention that this is getting and its even more unfortunate that the media has gotten its gorge of victimization thats novel. |
Edit: Enlarged for your viewing pleasure.:p |
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| Yoepus |
overblow?
nah... Americans would never overblow any news!
In fact, if anything this is under reported! Janet's got way more coverage (I haven't seen any zoom unblurred photos on the tortured Iraqi for instance!)
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| NeoPhono |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
overblow?
nah... Americans would never overblow any news!
In fact, if anything this is under reported! Janet's got way more coverage (I haven't seen any zoom unblurred photos on the tortured Iraqi for instance!)
:rolleyes:
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Gotta agree. We're going to beat the life out of this until there's absolutely no shock/advertising value left. Not like we haven't done that before with Michael Jackson, Kobe Bryant, 2000 Election, 9/11 Fallout, Monica Lewinsky, Whitewater, Waco, O.J.... |
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| xKaoSx |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
In response to the title of the thread, the answer is YES.
I'd like to share a letter that I got through the grapevine(I have some connections) from a Lieutentant currently serving in Iraq. I can vouch for both the source and validity of the follwoing text. |
UGH! my eyes!
12 point font friend! :D
Good letter though-
Exactly the way I think it's going over there.
Minus the M on M sex with 10 year olds? wtf |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by xKaoSx
UGH! my eyes!
12 point font friend! :D
Good letter though-
Exactly the way I think it's going over there.
Minus the M on M sex with 10 year olds? wtf |
I'll edit to make it larger;)
Regarding the M/M NAMBLA action, I don't make this stuff up, I'm just passing on a first hand opinion. It's a ed up place over there. Improved literacy would help volumes.:) |
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| xKaoSx |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
I'll edit to make it larger;)
Regarding the M/M NAMBLA action, I don't make this stuff up, I'm just passing on a first hand opinion. It's a ed up place over there. Improved literacy would help volumes.:) |
Yea- I have 2 friends who turned down civi jobs over there for 200k tax free. Just to setup networks and such- |
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| Arbiter |
| It's a cash cow for the news media industry and they're milking it for all it's worth. By now they've figured out that the anti-bush folk will drool all over anything which puts him in a bad light. |
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| jlosada |
| I don't know how are the news in another countries, but here in Spain seems to be an important fact. |
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| imokruok |
The US media has been wanting to go "full nudity" for quite some time. This provides them a way to do it. :crazy:
But yes, this was way overblown. I'm not saying it's not a serious issue, but the way that they press has chosen to handle it is totally out of line. |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by xKaoSx
Yea- I have 2 friends who turned down civi jobs over there for 200k tax free. Just to setup networks and such- |
Hey I'll take that!!
But as soon as those Iraqis find out I'm Israeli, they'll make Berg look like he was executed humanily.
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| arctic |
| quote: | Originally posted by imokruok
The US media has been wanting to go "full nudity" for quite some time. This provides them a way to do it. :crazy: |
Haha. But would this explain the 'overblown coverage in Europe? They've been going full nudity for awhile, and this is still big news over there (and here for that matter, but we haven't gone full nudity yet either).
| quote: | | But yes, this was way overblown. I'm not saying it's not a serious issue, but the way that they press has chosen to handle it is totally out of line. |
Let's be fair though, a lot of news is overblown. If this did occur due to Rumsfeld and the administration authorizing 'hard' interrogation techniques, then I don't think that it's been too overblown. Look at the Clinton scandal, now that was overblown. they took a non-issue, and irrelevant blow-job story, and made it into a national crisis. That's what I call overblown. :p |
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