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Is prisoner abuse in Iraq overblown??? (pg. 2)
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| xKaoSx |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
Hey I'll take that!!
But as soon as those Iraqis find out I'm Israeli, they'll make Berg look like he was executed humanily.
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nothing some simple paint and hair straightener cant handle. ill hook you up. :D |
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| igottaknow |
It's just about as over blown as bush's WMD claim and all the other false reasons given to go to war with iraq. Too bad administration can't blame the media on this one because they didn't:
1. take the pics
2. release them to the public.
3. perpetrate the crimes.
4. order the soldiers to do it.
I'd credit Rummy for using the pics to focus attention on the six "bad apple" and away from the top officials who ordered it *cough* Rummy *cough* war criminal. Of course you could also credit the stupidity of the general public who don't understand what torture and geneva convention violations are unless someone takes pictures. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by igottaknow
It's just about as over blown as bush's WMD claim and all the other false reasons given to go to war with iraq. |
whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a second. I thought you were in agreement that the world fooled itself about the WMD's? seriously.
...and yes the media has overblown it...next. |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by arctic
Look at the Clinton scandal, now that was overblown. they took a non-issue, and irrelevant blow-job story, and made it into a national crisis. That's what I call overblown. :p |
Haha--nice pun. I think Clinton would say he was blown just right!:p |
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| Flotser |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
It's a cash cow for the news media industry and they're milking it for all it's worth. |
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i dont know this realy makes me sad. |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by igottaknow
It's just about as over blown as bush's WMD claim and all the other false reasons given to go to war with iraq. Too bad administration can't blame the media on this one because they didn't:
1. take the pics
2. release them to the public.
3. perpetrate the crimes.
4. order the soldiers to do it.
I'd credit Rummy for using the pics to focus attention on the six "bad apple" and away from the top officials who ordered it *cough* Rummy *cough* war criminal. Of course you could also credit the stupidity of the general public who don't understand what torture and geneva convention violations are unless someone takes pictures. |
hey!!
What are you doing here??:conf:
I thought you quit:whip:
:thepirate :D
welcome back;) |
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| Izzy |
| quote: | Originally posted by igottaknow
...*cough* Rummy *cough* war criminal... |
heh, guess it was only a matter of time before these unfounded insults start :( |
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| DaveSZ |
| quote: | Originally posted by arctic
Let's be fair though, a lot of news is overblown. If this did occur due to Rumsfeld and the administration authorizing 'hard' interrogation techniques, then I don't think that it's been too overblown. Look at the Clinton scandal, now that was overblown. they took a non-issue, and irrelevant blow-job story, and made it into a national crisis. That's what I call overblown. :p |
I think you've actually touched on the difference between liberal and conservative morality.
I've been thinking of starting a thread about that. |
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| igottaknow |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
What are you doing here??:conf: I thought you quit:whip: welcome back;) |
I haven't had time been working on a 2 video projects. I reserve the right to poke my head in now and then and try to inject a little ethics into this conservative think tank. ;) |
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| arctic |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
Haha--nice pun. I think Clinton would say he was blown just right!:p |
Haha, and full credit to him. After all, who doesn't want to get blown? Being serious for a minute though, if you're going to complain about this being overblown (if Hersh's accusations are true, then I'll happily dispute that), then surely you're going to have to recognise that the vast majority of news is overblown - it's the nature of the modern media.
| quote: | Originally posted by DaveSZ
I think you've actually touched on the difference between liberal and conservative morality.
I've been thinking of starting a thread about that. |
I've got my own theories about that, one of them is related to the fact that the majority of conservatives just happen to be Christians as well, I think it's possible that their religious beliefs have a major impact on whether they're left or right of centre. Go ahead and start the thread though, should be interesting.
| quote: | Originally posted by igottaknow
I haven't had time been working on a 2 video projects. I reserve the right to poke my head in now and then and try to inject a little ethics into this conservative think tank. ;) |
Now now, calling this forum a conservative think tank is inaccurate. There are quite a few left wingers here. Me, Dave, MisterOpus, LixuidX, you, St_Andrew, Renegade. Then we've got our resident 'flaming liberals' like Palestinian, Cyrus & sufee_b. :p
Sure, there are a lot of conservatives and right-wingers, but there are quite a few left wingers as well. |
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| igottaknow |
| quote: | Originally posted by arctic
Now now, calling this forum a conservative think tank is inaccurate. There are quite a few left wingers here. Me, Dave, MisterOpus, LixuidX, you, St_Andrew, Renegade. Then we've got our resident 'flaming liberals' like Palestinian, Cyrus & sufee_b. :p
Sure, there are a lot of conservatives and right-wingers, but there are quite a few left wingers as well. |
True but the conservatives are louder. ;)
This whole prisoner pic thing makes me made for two reasons.
1. Why is it so difficult to follow the golden rule? Human rights are the bedrock of our nation. Why the hell does this administration do everthing possible to discredit the UN, international law, and the geneva convention? They have systematically chipped away at the rule of law, so that they can do what ever they want. Human Rights aren't a liberal thing, it's a serious issue that should concern everyone.
2. Why does it take pictures for there to be an uproar over human rights violations? If anyone has noticed the only people getting prosecuted are the ones in the pictures in Abu Ghraib. This same treatment happened in other prisons, but nothing is being done because there are no pictures. I understand the military is trying to cover this up, and will not do anything unless they are forced. As for the public it's a said statement that pictures are the only way to communicate with the public. No pictures, no problem. :whip: |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by igottaknow
2. Why does it take pictures for there to be an uproar over human rights violations? If anyone has noticed the only people getting prosecuted are the ones in the pictures in Abu Ghraib. This same treatment happened in other prisons, but nothing is being done because there are no pictures. I understand the military is trying to cover this up, and will not do anything unless they are forced. As for the public it's a said statement that pictures are the only way to communicate with the public. No pictures, no problem. :whip: |
Perhaps it has to do something with how the modern court structure is organized, and a little notion called resonable doubt.
If there is no pictures of the other prisons, there is no proof, and hence there is resonable doubt that the accused in the other jails are not guilty. In Abu Ghraib there is overwhelming evidence that the accused are guilty.
Hmm do I detect hypocracy?
Its odd to see how your 1st point was a whiny plea for the US to preserve human rights but your 2nd point was a radical cry that the USA should do away with those very human rights so it could prosecute the others soldiers from the other jails.:eyes:
ouch;) |
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