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the lakefront to finally be completed!
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| dEsidEL |
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TRAVEL/DEST...k.ap/index.html
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CHICAGO, Illinois (AP) -- The millennium is finally dawning on Chicago's lakefront.
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sorry .. but not in TO
juss can't stand the fact that getting our lakefront redeveloped is like a constant strain of pulling teeth when other cities like Chicago for instance have moved ahead..
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The 24 acres between Lake Michigan and bustling Michigan Avenue used to be a rail yard and parking lot that marred the northwest corner of the otherwise elegant Grant Park. Now, supporters say, that land will revitalize Chicago's reputation for great architecture and culture and draw more people to Grant Park, the city's "front yard" that stretches for a mile along the lake.
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i want our mofo'n waterfront already! :(
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| MarkT |
when I look at places like NY and San Fran and then look at our waterfront...Toronto is PATHETIC!!! :(
The Gardiner needs to get ripped down too...and that ridiculous Island Airport idea had better remain dead. |
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| crazedcanuck |
The Gardiner is one of the greatest roads in this city.. I can go from the west end to the east in 5 minutes.
This city is fast-becoming a transport nightmare, and unless they plan on making the lakeshore 8 lanes and 90 km/hr, the gardiner is the best option for getting around in the south part of the city most of the day.
The only intersts served by getting rid of the gardiner are the ing condo-developers on the lakeshore looking to jack up their prices... bunch of ******s. |
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| Jayx1 |
Yeah lets rip down the gardiner.... great idea! While we are at it lets tear down the CN tower, its looking quite decrepid as well.
If we demolish the gardiner it will cause a transportation nightmare. If we bury it we will have a financial nightmare. The portlands need to be redeveloped for sure. But to tear down the gardiner would be very foolish. Especially when the city claims it has no choice but to raise property taxes and the province claims it has no choice but to raise taxes and run a deficit. |
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| itikia |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
If we demolish the gardiner it will cause a transportation nightmare. |
I agree. Tearing down the gardiner will turn the waterfront into one big parking lot.
Plus, I doubt the waterfront will ever get re-developed since there is a constant war between the city and the businesses that already have their stake in many of the key properties on the waterfront. |
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| Form&Funktion |
The Gardiner tear-down idea could work....but it would have to be on a timeline for which we would not likely see it in any immediate future. The problem is mid 20th century urban planning did not account for Toronto's future growth adequately so now the logistics of either ripping it down or massively upgrading mass transit systems to lessen the arteries vitality is impossible without major capital influx.
Ultimately, the cities asthetics and perceived waterfront value would stand to increase with it gone, but so much capital planning would have to be completed before it was feasable that it's likely going to be around for decades yet.
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| MarkT |
^^^ exactly...no one has the f***ing balls to do it, because as with every f***ing long term project, the politicians who initiate it won't be around to reap the benefits when it's done. I hate like this!!!!!!!!! No one has any long term agenda, it's all about seeing benefits from initiatives NOW NOW NOW :mad:
The Gardiner is an eyesore to say the least...Jayx1, again with the slippery slope stuff, come on...equating tearing down a rusting eyesore with tearing down the most prominent feature of our still meagre skyline...um...that's beyond silly :rolleyes:
Traffic and urban planners have confirmed the teardown is feasible with modification to Lakeshore Rd. 3-4 lanes works fine for the 401, why do we need 3 lanes of Gadiner on top of 3-4 lanes of Lakeshore going through the city? It's ridiculous. Traffic has to be reduced downtown anyway...maybe tearing down the Gardiner will also encourage more use of TTC, GO, and car pooling. The status quo is unacceptable and "rush hour" is getting worse every year on the DVP and Gardiner, isn't it? I'm also in favour of eliminating parking on Queen and King St so they are two full lanes. That along with the one way st. of Richmond and Adelaide should make for much better traffic flow.
We can either prepare to have a waterfront like NY and San Fran, and truly be the "world class" city that we like to think we are...or we can have this same pathetic industrial wasteland for the forseable future. |
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| TrueToTheCrew |
I think Toronto's priority should be transportation. Whats the point of having a nice water front tourist attraction if they dont have the infrastructure to get them in there.
Fix the transport problem, then build your water front. Like fuk, i have turned down jobs in TO just the thought of dealing with that traffic every fkn day made me cringe. Please dont ask me why i choose to work in waterloo either ;) |
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| crazedcanuck |
The lakeshore is 60 km/h btw, so unless you have 5-6 lanes a side, good ig luck getting anywhere.
I'm not overly concerned about the views enjoyed by the office towers in the downtown core, or the condos that enjoy a lakeshore view. Screw em.. another public funded project that would mostly benefit corporate interests @ our expense.
gardiner pwns joo!!! |
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| ShadoWolf |
| Toronto is not a world-class city. It's that simple. |
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| dEsidEL |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
Toronto is not a world-class city. It's that simple. |
are any Canadian cities world class .. ? MTL? VC?
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by dEsidEL
are any Canadian cities world class .. ? MTL? VC?
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I heard Dildo, NL is a really happening town.
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Seriously, I havn't been to VC, and I was realtively young when I went to MTL. I was thinking more about certain European cities. |
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