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Sasha is no longer spining Prog or using vinyl! (pg. 7)
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| sufee_b |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShAwZy
I've said it before and I will say it again.
Sasha has been washed up for the last 3 or 4 years. People call it inovative but he is barely holding on. It's all of these die-hards that loved him so much in the past that won't let go to the fact that he is a washed up, junkie, who probably has no idea where he even is in life. I know I'm a little harsh but if you were to go see him live or have went and saw him live in past few years he has stunk the place out, bored people to death, or was the same as any other so-so DJ out there.
I love the Sasha followers that stick by him and won't let go but trust me you will have to some day when it becomes obvious that he has lost his aura in the world of electronic music. Inovaters to me are the James Zabiela's out there who are doing things out of the norm, mixing genres in their sets, scratching and being real party DJ's.
NOW, if Sasha were to go back to his roots when he was a legend, and start playing that dark trance he is known for in the late 90's then maybe he could revive my trust in him and I may think about going to see him when he is in town. Other than that, MEH = Sasha.
Let it go people........ |
Its sooooooooooooo funny how you mention JZ to be an 'innovater', or doing things out of the norm...LOL...maybe but lets stick to the guy who this article's about, who himself is doing things out of the norm music wise, but some just cant handle it...BTW guys like JZ wouldnt be half the person he is w/o people like Sasha....washed up?? hmmmm.... IDK....different yes. Washed up for 3-4 years????!!! Are we talking about the same Sasha here...just check out his Buenes Aires mix from last year at Moon Park... |
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| richard raiban |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
This is a fancy definition of purpose, but I still have never been given a clear definition of what characterizes progressive music. (and I've asked...)
Could you answer this for me? (you sound like you know progressive music very well and speak about it easily.) |
here is what i think it is...
progressive is a "structure" in how music is made.
example:
house: disco, hard, latin, progressive...
trance: epic, hard, progressive...
breaks: funky, electro, progressive...
progressive (whatever genre) forward thinking music (intelligent brain music as i like to call it)....look @ rock music! you have brilliant progressive rock bands like led zepplin, pink floyd, the doors, frank zappa etc etc
hope this helps... |
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| halo20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by richard raiban
progressive is a "structure" in how music is made.
hope this helps... |
dude, you aren't making any sense. |
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| TECHno addict |
| quote: | Originally posted by halo20
dude, you aren't making any sense. |
Jon youre in jokes man. :haha:
Great delivery. |
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| halo20 |
^ the t.a inside joke to end all other t.a inside jokes
(cheers Jeff) |
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by richard raiban
progressive is a "structure" in how music is made.
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i think that makes perfect sense. |
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| richard raiban |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
i think that makes perfect sense. |
:D
there is nothing more to it....its a style, a form of whatever genre you use... |
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| Avro |
| quote: | Originally posted by Form&Funktion
It amazes me at the breadth and scope of ignorance among many of those making contributions (and I say that in the loosest of terms)to this thread.
It is unfortunate that the term "Progressive" was pinned to a certain hybrid of House, Techno and Trance sound, as it was more meant to be a mindset to the approach and technique of creating music which liberates itself from the standard structure of the popular style of its time. The term Progressive was given to any music that discarded the predictable foundations and elements of song creation. Essentially, it is an adjective to a style, therefore, as an example, to say Progressive Trance is boring is to say no Trance that attempts to advance and experiment from the formulaic standard has any value or energy so to dumb it down......those that knock progressive music, whatever it's form, essentially advertise their desire for music to stagnate and grow stale.
Specifically, for those here that seem to make a hobby of bashing progressive music, stop the cozy little bubble which is your world for one minute and consider the FACT that Trance as YOU see it would have been long since extinct had not the elements of progressive and other forward thinking styles been injected into it by all the biggest Trance DJ's you blindly worship.
Let's look at Tiesto, on a lark, shall we? It seems quite clear that much of his best work (Flight 643) and sets, have more a Techno spirit to them then pure uncut Trance. Armin? His tracklists read like an essential list for Prog/tech-trance/breaks along side the GENUINE good trance that still exists if one cares to search for it.
I laugh when people balk at music that diverges from their micro-view of what is good. I can't help but picture those elderly people we chuckle at for still listening to Rag-time or Waltzes and think.........there lies YOUR future, except it will be Trance...atleast the kind that refused to evolve.
Progressive will not die, it's a contradiction in terms. Our current projection of what it is may die or change but forward-thinking music, the kind the keeps the scene vibrant and relevant, will remain steadfastly pushing ahead and creating new, powerful music.
FF |
well put,
Progressive Trance is not what is considered Progressive. No one who likes trance would say they dislike progressive trance.
when someone says a dj is playing "progressive" we think sasha. we think progressive (perhaps progressive house i dont know) but what ever the definition, progressive trance is not that boaring crap that is in so many clubs. I agree it is a gross misuse of the term, but at least we know what people are refering to. In a sense every song on the planet is progressive something. (and that could be argued)
I always thought that progressive trance was just a track with a build that progressed, or that the whole track progressed into the overall song. if your definition of progressive is correct then there is progressive everything (insert genre here) |
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| halo20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
i think that makes perfect sense. |
can you please explain it to me then? lol
I think the term "progressive" is incredibly stupid anyways, the equivalent of "alternative" back in the day. Why must we label EVERYTHING. |
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by halo20
can you please explain it to me then? lol
I think the term "progressive" is incredibly stupid anyways, the equivalent of "alternative" back in the day. Why must we label EVERYTHING. |
well, i don't know how to explain it more clearly than raiban.
it's a type of each genre. each genre has producers that are pushing the envelope of the genre.
For example like Outkast is hip-hop right? but it's not exactly hip-hop like we all love to hate. they have pushed the boundaries of hip-hop and created "progressive" hip-hop. they are still hip-hop but have expanded the genre. progressive expands a genre.
as for plain old progressive music, i think you are right, it is being used to loosely. progressive "what exactly?". i think there is a progressive electronic music that amalgamates aspects of many genres. whoever thought that breaks would soung good in a trance song? but it does. once that becomes old, it's back to old plain 'trance' label for those types of tracks and on to kick ass guitars for the 'progressive trance'. that is why, some 'progressive' sucks ass, and i want to kill myself after hearing a bit of it and some is ok and even dancable.
and poor sasha, i don't know what the hell he is thinking. doesn't he know that once he goes back to 1985 style EDM, THAT will become the new 'progressive' trend and blow everyone away. poor guy thinks he can get away, but he never will. hahahaha. |
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| halo20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
they have pushed the boundaries of hip-hop and created "progressive" hip-hop |
haah what!
(and if there was such a thing, Dre would get credit, est: 1995) |
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