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Politically Correct Pop Machines! (pg. 5)
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| Jayx1 |
COMMON SENSE HAS PREVAILED!!!!!!!
TDSB chooses Pepsi
June 24, 2004 - 10:06 am
By: 680 Staff
The Toronto District School Board votes yes to a five year deal with Pepsi.
Initially trustees had rejected the proposal for the soft drink maker to operate pop machines in 300 schools across the city -- but say in the end it came down to money. The contract is worth nearly 6 million dollars to the board. Part of the money will support breakfast and nutritional programs in schools. The board's contract with Coca Cola expires in July. |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
A 120 kcal. can of coke compared to a 1000 kcal. burger, fries and gravy lunch - where do you see the problem? |
True - but how many burgers do kids eat in a day? A can of soda can contain upwards of 200 or 300 calories, and kids are drinking 3 or 4 a day.
(my teeth hurt just thinking about it!)
jayx1, I'm avoiding your points b/c we aren't even arguing facts anymore. You and I have very different values, so let's leave it at that. |
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| starsearcher |
| Hey I like angelgirl's points ;) |
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| Jayx1 |
| It doesnt matter anymore anyways because common sense has prevailed for at least the next 5 years. |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
It doesnt matter anymore anyways because common sense has prevailed for at least the next 5 years. |
It's clearly not COMMON - parents were fighting this agreement with pepsi from day 1. |
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| starsearcher |
| I like PEPSI :toothless |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by starsearcher
I think you are seriously underestimating children and their maturity today...There are plenty of 8 and 9 graders that sniff coke get drunk and randomly at parties...I don't see vending machines dealing in drugs :rolleyes:
I'd have to agree with Jayx1 this time...these companies are competing for sponsorship...the top sponsor wins and that's the only way schools can get funding for IMPORTANT things...don't blame the vendors it's not their fault...the money the schools get from them should be put to good use.
Obesity is a part of a much larger problem and it has nothing to do with vending machines in schools alone...once again little kids smoke and smoke a lot...don't tell me that they started smoking when they turned legal age of 19. |
eek...sorry...I'll take Sarah's side, no question.
Kids smoking drugs at younger ages doesn't mean that they understand the psychological and physiological ramifications of their choices. The drug vending machine example is silly...don't blame the vendors, it's not their fault??? That's such a cop out, lol. That's like saying don't blame the cigarette companies for all the toxic substances in their products, it's not their fault! ;)
Sorry, but the "schools have no choice" argument just doesn't cut it. This whole "I live in the real world" outlook can go to far and become a cop out too (as I think it has in this debate). Schools need to get creative to raise funds instead of taking a corporate handout that, while providing funds to the school, is counter productive to the health of the students.
My high school (um...yes, back in the day) wanted a school van to take sports teams to other schools, for small trips, etc. We had a walkathon and raised the bulk of the money for it ourselves.
Your last point actually supports the opposite position...people learn behaviours...and those behaviours, like smoking, eating poorly, etc., can be hard to break. We know many parents don't promote healthy eating at home...combine that with not reinforcing healthy eating at school...not to mention mass media...and it's no wonder obesity is a huge problem.
I think school have a responsibility to foster good beviours...kids go to school to be educated and education goes further than opening a textbook, IMHO.
Jayx1 (jeez, can I say Jay if that's your name? lol), I agree that we need choice...but choice only really works when there's a level playing field. When the choice is between "boring" water, fruits and veggies, and highly marketed and packaged pop and snackfood...is that really fair "choice"? ;) I really don't think so.
part of the money goes to nutritional programs...um...the end do not justify the means.
and pop is nutritionally void being water, processed sugars and chemicals...at least that burger has some nutritional value in it ;) |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
It's clearly not COMMON - parents were fighting this agreement with pepsi from day 1. |
How many parents? the 15 or 20 or so of the whole greater toronto area who obviously are too frustrated to deal with the real issues? There was a time when the 2% of people with crackpot thinking used to be ignored. |
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| Jayx1 |
mark: v8, juice and other "healthy drinks" are marketing just as much as water. As for my last point. I remember what its like to be a teenager. I know that if they only had food i didnt want and i had other options offsite i would go there to get it. Routinely on spares and breaks i went next door to get the food i wanted (even though they had burgers and pop except the burgers tasted like dogmeat). That was MY choice.
As for raising money. Following this rediculous arguement i guess the school should also ban selling chocolates and fruitcakes and candies and other such organized practices as a means to raising revenue for school as well? After all... junk food is evil right? |
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| MarkT |
someone buying a box or two of chocolate almonds once in a while to support a school is hardly the same as marketing pop to kids who will then drink it every single day at school.
no v8, juice or water company (except maybe Evian or Perrier?) has half the markteing resources that major soft drink companies do. Like I said, it's not a level playing field. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| Let's just hope it's not one of >>these<< pop machines... :eyes: |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
someone buying a box or two of chocolate almonds once in a while to support a school is hardly the same as marketing pop to kids who will then drink it every single day at school.
no v8, juice or water company (except maybe Evian or Perrier?) has half the markteing resources that major soft drink companies do. Like I said, it's not a level playing field. |
Newsflash..most of those juice and water companies are OWNED by pepsi and coke.
And selling chocolate almonds are the same thing because if pushing junk food is bad... its bad period. Isnt children selling junk at people's door setting a bad example as well?
You see? The whole thing is rediculous. Lets get back to debating REAL issues in this world and leave the pop machines alone. |
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