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What it's like to be in a full Euro 2004 stadium (pg. 2)
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| Vigilante |
This is a serious post, i am interested to discuss this....
How can you say that Baseball and American Football have fast-paced action?? I obviously don't live in USA and i wasn't brought up there so i really can't see how you can say that it is fast paced. It is so stop-start. They play for about 20 seconds, and then they stop, have a break for a few minutes. Then maybe another 20 seconds of play, and it continues over and over.
I heard some statistic that in a three hour baseball match, there is only about 10 minutes of actual play (it might be less).
I suppose it is like us people from Australia, England, India etc liking cricket. You really have to grow up watching the sport to learn all the intricacies of the game and follow it passionately. |
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| ogvh5150 |
Cricket, Baseball, Hockey, Football, Field Hockey and Rugby are either a Gentlemens' sport like Cricket to the rest which are hard gridiron, shots to the gut sports.
But Soccer? What's the point there? |
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| Vigilante |
Soccer (a.k.a Football)
- It's a team game - it doesn't just involve personal skill, but it is about the performance of a whole team working together
- It involves a lot of skill
- It truly is a global sport played in almost every country around the world. All you need is a ball and a bare patch of ground and you can play. Well, you can play inside as well, which is a lot of fun (until stuff gets broken)
- They play for 45 minutes non-stop, have a break for half-time, and then play another 45 minutes. Let's compare this to the average 30 seconds per play in American Football before a break each time, not to mention the fact that they have almost an entirely different team for both attack (offence) and defence.
- It s all over American Football......
American Football has nothing compared to Rugby when it comes to toughness. They all wear big shoulder pads and helmets...they have none of that in Rugby. You might say "well they are pretty massive guys so they makie big tackles". This may be true, but in International Rugby the average weight is probably at least 100kg (220 lbs) and they have some huge tackles, as well as the scrums. |
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| Spad |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vigilante
I suppose it is like us people from Australia, England, India etc liking cricket. You really have to grow up watching the sport to learn all the intricacies of the game and follow it passionately. |
I don't think anybody actually does like Cricket, I've never met or known of a fan anyway. I always thought it was something they showed for traditional purposes, like the Queens Christmas speech. |
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| Spad |
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
Sorry for all you soccer fans that miss out on the real sport of man. |
Nobody misses out on American Football. It's shown all over. We just chose not to watch it :) |
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| RenderedDream |
i never understood the difference between rugby and american football
i think american football is just muscle sport..take the ball and run and run down everyone in your way
soccer is about team, control skill and aim, it's more about brain
but hey, tastes are different |
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| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vigilante
Soccer (a.k.a Football)
- It's a team game - it doesn't just involve personal skill, but it is about the performance of a whole team working together
Really I thought American Football was about a bunch of College grads just running around haphazardly on a field 100 yards long.
- It involves a lot of skill Does Soccer have a playbook that you have to memorize? Imagine a buttonhook in Soccer. Won't happen. Skill is remembering all your plays.
- It truly is a global sport played in almost every country around the world. All you need is a ball and a bare patch of ground and you can play. Well, you can play inside as well, which is a lot of fun (until stuff gets broken) Football is worldwide. It can be played on any even playing field. Arena Football is always played indoors hence the name.
- They play for 45 minutes non-stop, have a break for half-time, and then play another 45 minutes. Let's compare this to the average 30 seconds per play in American Football before a break each time, not to mention the fact that they have almost an entirely different team for both attack (offence) and defence. Football's time is four 15 minute quarters with one half-time after 30 minutes of play. The reason the games' longer is the strategies involved and that's where downs come in and other intricacies of the Skill.
- It s all over American Football......That's your personal opinion of whatever bodily functions you need to discuss the lack of your sport has.
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http://afl.com.au
http://www.nfleurope.com
from http://www.nfl.com/international/am...wloverview.html :
| quote: | Overview of American Bowl series
Overview of American Bowl series
NEW YORK (Aug. 13, 1999) — The National Football League's American Bowl series of international games began in 1986 as a response to the growing interest in American football around the world.
Since that time, twenty-four teams have represented the NFL playing 36 games in 11 cities outside the United States - Tokyo, London, Berlin, Montreal, Barcelona, Mexico City, Monterrey, Toronto, Dublin, Vancouver and Sydney - under the NFL umbrella. Attendance at these games has been phenomenal. Nearly two million fans - 1,988,100 - have attended these games for an average of 58,474 per game.
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Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.
| quote: | Originally posted by Spad
Nobody misses out on American Football. It's shown all over. We just chose not to watch it :) |
Yes I choose not to watch Soccer.
| quote: | Originally posted by Spad
I don't think anybody actually does like Cricket, I've never met or known of a fan anyway. I always thought it was something they showed for traditional purposes, like the Queens Christmas speech. |
It's a Gentlemens' sport. Living in New York City a lot of "Islanders" play the sport. I have access to watching a game if I choose in a park about 5 minutes driving time. "Islanders" meaning people from the Carribean or Gulf oceans or even from India. |
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| NeoPhono |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vigilante
Soccer (a.k.a Football)
[*] It's a team game - it doesn't just involve personal skill, but it is about the performance of a whole team working together |
I'm sorry, but to say American football isn't a team sport is silly. Blocking, defense, passing all require team interaction and as said before the playbooks of some teams take years to learn. And as far as baseball, I don't consider that to be a fast-paced sport, except at times (like soccer). That's what my last post was about. It's as close to soccer-paced as the US has. Football and baseketball are much faster paced.
| quote: | | [*] It involves a lot of skill |
Are you saying that a quarterback, wider reciever or running back don't take skill? Heck, they're called the "skill" positions. I'd like to see your average Joe throw an accurate 50 yard pass that only your reciever can catch. Or how about a kicker kicking a 50 yard field goal...that's not exactly easy.
| quote: | | [*] It truly is a global sport played in almost every country around the world. All you need is a ball and a bare patch of ground and you can play. Well, you can play inside as well, which is a lot of fun (until stuff gets broken) |
I'm not sure why this makes soccer any better though. And as said before, the biggest sporting events both viewership wise and attendance wise are American football games. (not counting races)
| quote: | | [*] They play for 45 minutes non-stop, have a break for half-time, and then play another 45 minutes. Let's compare this to the average 30 seconds per play in American Football before a break each time, not to mention the fact that they have almost an entirely different team for both attack (offence) and defence. |
I agree that they run around for 45 minutes non-stop, but goal threats only happen once in a great while, and in a 1-0 or other low-scoring contest, you may only have one time where someone scores a goal and to me scoring in soccer is the only thing exciting to me. I just don't like watching people pass a ball for an hour and a half and then maybe a couple times have any real shot of scoring. It's just not fun.
True American football is start/stop, but you're guaranteed a total of one hour of in-your-face, faced paced action with passing, hitting and running. In soccer you're only guaranteed 90 minutes of guys running back and forth. And the fact that American football has different players for defense and offense goes back to my arguement about it being skilled. If I wanted to watch endurance athletes, what I consider soccer players to be, I'd watch a good bicycle race.
| quote: | | American Football has nothing compared to Rugby when it comes to toughness. They all wear big shoulder pads and helmets...they have none of that in Rugby. You might say "well they are pretty massive guys so they makie big tackles". This may be true, but in International Rugby the average weight is probably at least 100kg (220 lbs) and they have some huge tackles, as well as the scrums. |
I played rugby in college (hooker), so I'll agree that rugby is a violent sport, but it is played much more fluidly. You have lines and fronts of motion, and the tackling is much less of the head-on type. You also tend to have people of the same size going up against each other such as halfbacks against halfbacks and fulls against fulls. In American football, you have many more head on collisions and with the exception of receivers/corners, you either have big men against big men (300+ lbs linemen) or medium against big, which can lead to a ton of injuries.
This debate is kind of pointless as we each have our favorite and that's fine with me. Just as long as we don't get too pissed at each other. :) |
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| RenderedDream |
| quote: | Originally posted by NeoPhono
This debate is kind of pointless as we each have our favorite and that's fine with me. Just as long as we don't get too pissed at each other. :) |
i agree with that
| quote: | | I agree that they run around for 45 minutes non-stop, but goal threats only happen once in a great while, and in a 1-0 or other low-scoring contest, you may only have one time where someone scores a goal and to me scoring in soccer is the only thing exciting to me. I just don't like watching people pass a ball for an hour and a half and then maybe a couple times have any real shot of scoring. It's just not fun. |
that really depends on game quality, if the teams are good, you'll have lots of threats, else you'll have a boring game, just like it happens with american football. apparently, it's fun to the europeans, and i enjoy very much playing. maybe that's it, soccer maybe boring it's very challenging breaking trough defenses |
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| thoughtlessjex |
| Bah, Ultimate owns them all. |
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| NeoPhono |
| quote: | Originally posted by RenderedDream
that really depends on game quality, if the teams are good, you'll have lots of threats, else you'll have a boring game, just like it happens with american football. apparently, it's fun to the europeans, and i enjoy very much playing. maybe that's it, soccer maybe boring it's very challenging breaking trough defenses |
I'm sure a lot of it is also cultural. If I grew up in a soccer nation, I'd love to watch soccer. I grew up in a basketball/baseball/football nation and so that's what I enjoy. I do like to watch Italy play (Italian National Team, not Roma or Milan, etc...my family is Italian) and the World Cup, much like I'm sure many enjoy only watching the football playoffs/Super Bowl. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by NeoPhono
I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but I'm sorry, soccer just doesn't hold my attention. |
Not really, we've got likes and dislikes :) I only watch the world cup (or great international matches) myself ;)
As for the facts, soccer deserves to be called "football" more than "american football", for reasons previously stated (Or at least I believe those are reasons, I can't be arsed to check it now as I'm physically impared due to my lack of sleep). |
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