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| Trancer85 |
OMG HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!
WILL YOU PEOPLE STOP BEING SO IGNORANT??
Everyone has different tastes in music. to each his own! simple as that!! |
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| hardstyle |
| Drum n bass is better then trance :p |
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| aspergian |
and trance 'n' bass is even better ;) ehehe... j/j j/k j/k
really tho, i'm looking forward to more trance-hop combos. i like my fair share of rap music, and i've heard word that hybrid are now working on a hip-hop album -- maybe it'll go in this direction. they did do breaktrance, after all... :D |
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| hardstyle |
| Ez rollers made a hip hop song, it is a really good track |
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| DJ JEM |
| quote: | Originally posted by mto
Do us a favor and kill yourself.
Yes hip-hop culture has a big impact on the youth, however, the culture is falsly advertised and marketed. This is all because of the money and due to the fact that it was a culture that originated from a minority. Therefore, THE MAN, blinded the entire race with money and allowed them an opportunity to escape the hardships that 75% of them face, and due to this the money washed up the realness of the culture.
Another thing, u smartass. If hip-hop makes people drink, smoke, kill.. then wtf does edm do? It spreads hiv, usage of ecstasy, homosexuality, and many other things. So please shut the up. I cant believe how ignorant you people are. , im out. bye |
you think the black minority only has it bad? i mean there are people ing starving in vietnam and in red china but them right because they are not black? or what dude, are you telling me that those people don;t have it harder then a guy from ing queens? i mean in america we have government payed programs that give lazy s money and houses. you think they have that in nepal ? or viet or china? if a china man asked for a raise they would have his head ... so how hard does this ing minority really have it? , they all sing about how life is hard and blah blah blah , well i say if your in broke get a god damn job and stop ing blaming other people just because your too ing lazy to do anything in your life. the asian people have it much harder in their countries , because they all live in a commie system, then the rap childen of the future. |
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| davepiazza |
Man shut the fu*ck up! You have just said some of the stupidest i have heard in my life. You and your buddy above have no ing clue. Do you think its easy to flow properly? By flow, I mean rap? If it was that easy every other person would have multi-million dollar contracts. What you fail to realize is that hip-hop/rap has been around for over 20 years, and it is here to stay. Now, I agree that 90% of the mainstream hip-hop/rap is bull, but to label the entire genre as bull is just plain ignorant. In other words you are saying that its the same thing with electronic music/trance. Our very own mainstream blows. Lasgo, Ian Van Dahl, Scooter, Sammy, and Dean.. yet our genre as a whole is awesome. Gabriel and Dresden, Marco V, Deep Dish, Sasha, Sultan, Infusion, Hybrid, Hyper, and many more.. they are all great! They, however are not as mainstream as the artists i listed before them, however, their music is much better. If we go by mainstream, EDM sucks too!! So listen up you in ****. Before you go around making stupid comments like you have just made, get your ass educated. Run DMC, Rakim, KRS-One, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Pharoah Monch, Common, The Roots, Dilated Peoples, Cormega, Bone Thugs N Harmony, Bizzy Bone, Atmosphere, Kanye West, Tupac Amaru Shakur, B.I.G and many more influental artists of the genre are to rap/hip-hop as what those aritsts that make EDM/trance scene good are to our scene. Now your 50cents, your Eminems, your Lloyd Banks', your Ja Rules, Fat Joe's, Puff Daddies, and Nellys are equivalent of your Lasgos, Ian van Dahls, Scooters, Sammys and Deans. Also, the lyrics that those mainstream s spit, talking about RIMS, BITCHES, AND DRUGS.. are similar to what the CHEESE electronic music sings about. In cheese/mainstream music they always and always sing about.. I WASSS WRONGGGGG TO LET YOU GOOO / OPEN UP YOUR ARMS IM COMING / BABY I NEEED YOU / YOU ARE MY PARADISE / YOU ARE MY DREAMS.
So please shut the up and dig for hip-hop/rap just like you dig for good edm/trance music. Go around the mainstream, and find something with heart, and there is alot of stuff you can find.
Here are some examples:
20th Century Masters - The Millennium Collection: The Best of Eric B. & Rakim [2001] <-- sums up the work from 1985-2000
Run-D.M.C. - Greatest Hits [2002] <-- work form early 80's up to 2001
KRS-One - I Got Next [1997] <-- listen to the master
2 Pac - Me Against The World [1995] <-- poet at work
Makaveli (2 Pac) - Don Killuminati: 7 Day Theory [1996] <-- masterpiece
Notorious B.I.G - Ready To Die [1994] <-- does this man breathe when he spits?
Bone Thugs - N - Harmony - Creepin' On Ah Come Up [1998] <-- Grammy for this, and how original is this work?
The Roots - Phrenology [2002] <-- another work of art
Talib Kewli - Quality [2002] <-- listen to the flow
Common - Resurrection [1994] <-- whatt?!?!?! listen to how he uses the words and the technique
Kanye West - College Dropout [2003] <-- yeah, these folks know about beats too.. listen to the production quality
Jay-Z - Black Album [2003] <-- yeah this dude is actually a great em cee, but u cant just listen to the singles get the album too..
Cormega - Legal Hustle [2004] <-- bring back hip-hop
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This post is beautiful!! I love EDM as well as other forms of music but this post said it best. The problem Is that because rap is so popular the mainstream is magnified 1000X to everyone whereas the mainstream EDM even though its popular is not magnified 1000X . The person who said the thing about white people trying to be bad asses was funny as f&ck!!Because its so true. The problem I have is why do americans only like to hear rock and rap?? I live in Chicago and it in patheic going to a club herre in the city to hear cheese ball rap, trance, and house banging at every club. And this is Chicago!!! What we all fail to realize is that america has a very large dorky white population which the previous post explained drives their behavior. this in large part has driven the craze for rap, rap stars, etc. The thing is that the rest of the world doesnt have dorky white people or a very racist society as the US , so musical you get more variety and people listen to alot of different stuff. Big Corperate america ( few comapnies that own everything)which runs everything has ruined rap, rock, and even trance. I think part of the blame also should be on the money hunrgy get rich corperate american culutre as well. |
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| NYCTrancefan |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by twisted420
This post is beautiful!! I love EDM as well as other forms of music but this post said it best. The problem Is that because rap is so popular the mainstream is magnified 1000X to everyone whereas the mainstream EDM even though its popular is not magnified 1000X . The person who said the thing about white people trying to be bad asses was funny as f&ck!!Because its so true. The problem I have is why do americans only like to hear rock and rap?? I live in Chicago and it in patheic going to a club herre in the city to hear cheese ball rap, trance, and house banging at every club. And this is Chicago!!! What we all fail to realize is that america has a very large dorky white population which the previous post explained drives their behavior. this in large part has driven the craze for rap, rap stars, etc. The thing is that the rest of the world doesnt have dorky white people or a very racist society as the US , so musical you get more variety and people listen to alot of different stuff. Big Corperate america ( few comapnies that own everything)which runs everything has ruined rap, rock, and even trance. I think part of the blame also should be on the money hunrgy get rich corperate american culutre as well.[QUOTE/]
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Acutally I have news for you if you go to Germany, France, England, you will find the same "dorky white kids" running after hip-hop, even in Japan as of late, this isn't some American phenomenon. I agree with you that the large companies are ruining the music industry through their cookie cutter, tell the artist what to do behavior. One of the largest is BMG (Bertelsmann Media Group) a German Music Corp. Guarantee you that many of us have bought a few Cds with BMG labelled on the back;) |
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| XaNaX |
| quote: | Originally posted by mto
Do us a favor and kill yourself.
Yes hip-hop culture has a big impact on the youth, however, the culture is falsly advertised and marketed. This is all because of the money and due to the fact that it was a culture that originated from a minority. Therefore, THE MAN, blinded the entire race with money and allowed them an opportunity to escape the hardships that 75% of them face, and due to this the money washed up the realness of the culture.
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Hmmm an interesting idea. The white man used a bastardized version of hip hop culture to get an entire race to sit around and dream of selling drugs, buying fancy cars, smoking trees, getting gold jewelry, etc via a get rich quick gangsta lifestyle. The white man uses the crap that most commercial rappers preach as the tool to get blacks to dream of that life instead of going to school, getting a good job, working hard and making something of themselves, thereby keeping and entire race economically depressed.
Actually, on some level I have to agree with you. I dont buy the whole THE MAN conspiracy where there is some group of rich whites trying to keep blacks down. Hell, white kids listen to rap, why would they want to keep white kids down too? But I think that unintentionally this has happened. When black hip-hop culture started getting hot with white kids, the record companies saw big $$$ waiting for them and they jumped on it. Who were the target audiences? Black youths and white youths.
The "I'm a thug gangsta pimp hard mofo that killed 40 people and sells 500 kilos of coke but I'm not in jail" life that they started promoting appealed to both of their target audiences.
For economically depressed blacks it was a natural fit. The music all talks about getting a bunch of money easy, be it selling drugs, pimping hoes, or selling records (not really easy but they dont tell you that). If you are poor livin in the ghetto what more do you want to hear than there is a easy life out there waiting where you can make tons of money for no effort.
For the suburban white kids, rap music makes them feel hard and ghetto. Why they want to feel this way I don't know, but trust me I've known plenty of white kids who talk about how thug and ghetto they are but when they go home at night they are sleeping in a $300K house in the suburbs.
So in the interest of making money, the record companies have pushed on black youths a cultural ideal that says that if you go to school and work hard and get a good job you are a sellout, and uncle tom and you are working for whitey. If you sit on your ass, beat your woman, pimp lots of hoes, drink 40s and smoke trees, and roll a pimped out car you are a success. Its ok for rappers to act like that because their record sales are bringing them millions of dollars. But they forgot to tell the average black youth that you aint gonna have that kind of life.
I'm just wondering when black America is going to wake up and realize that in the name of making some money they are ruining their entire culture. The 'cultural role model' rappers need to take some personal responsibility and realize that its not the white man holding their people down anymore, they are the ones doing the holding. Name a positive rap song which preaches the value of an education and hard work. Acutally, I can think of one. Too Short - Gettin It. But that is old school and I cant think of a single one that has come out in the last 5 years. |
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| Tweak |
try some Jurassic 5
but recent mainstream releases from hip-hop/rap groups Black Eyed Peas and Outkast (both solid credible groups. well maybe not BEP) have risen above the bling/bitches culture. where's the love indeed |
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| mto |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ JEM
you think the black minority only has it bad? i mean there are people ing starving in vietnam and in red china but them right because they are not black? or what dude, are you telling me that those people don;t have it harder then a guy from ing queens? i mean in america we have government payed programs that give lazy s money and houses. you think they have that in nepal ? or viet or china? if a china man asked for a raise they would have his head ... so how hard does this ing minority really have it? , they all sing about how life is hard and blah blah blah , well i say if your in broke get a god damn job and stop ing blaming other people just because your too ing lazy to do anything in your life. the asian people have it much harder in their countries , because they all live in a commie system, then the rap childen of the future. |
That's what you call ingorant. My friend, nowhere in my post did i say that the afro-american community has it the worst. I simply said that this minority created a culture that the corporate America made and will continue making, millions of dollars off of by falsly representing and advertising it.
Now, you say they sit on their asses and refuse to get jobs? This is true for every race out there and every minority. You have those who work, and you have those who are lazy bums. You saying that its just the african-american community, is very racist and uneducated from your side. I have many african-american friend, and i have many who live in bad situations and yet they continue to go to school and to work. I also have friends of my own kind, who have dropped out, who refuse to work, and who abuse drugs. So, you see, this goes for every race/minority and kind out there. You just have a picture painted in your mind that you saw on movies like Friday and all the videos on MTV and BET. Don't watch those, and pick up a book and read. |
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| Vigilante |
| Please let this thread die! It has been done to death so many times it is not funny....... |
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| mto |
| quote: | Originally posted by XaNaX
Hmmm an interesting idea. The white man used a bastardized version of hip hop culture to get an entire race to sit around and dream of selling drugs, buying fancy cars, smoking trees, getting gold jewelry, etc via a get rich quick gangsta lifestyle. The white man uses the crap that most commercial rappers preach as the tool to get blacks to dream of that life instead of going to school, getting a good job, working hard and making something of themselves, thereby keeping and entire race economically depressed.
Actually, on some level I have to agree with you. I dont buy the whole THE MAN conspiracy where there is some group of rich whites trying to keep blacks down. Hell, white kids listen to rap, why would they want to keep white kids down too? But I think that unintentionally this has happened. When black hip-hop culture started getting hot with white kids, the record companies saw big $$$ waiting for them and they jumped on it. Who were the target audiences? Black youths and white youths.
The "I'm a thug gangsta pimp hard mofo that killed 40 people and sells 500 kilos of coke but I'm not in jail" life that they started promoting appealed to both of their target audiences.
For economically depressed blacks it was a natural fit. The music all talks about getting a bunch of money easy, be it selling drugs, pimping hoes, or selling records (not really easy but they dont tell you that). If you are poor livin in the ghetto what more do you want to hear than there is a easy life out there waiting where you can make tons of money for no effort.
For the suburban white kids, rap music makes them feel hard and ghetto. Why they want to feel this way I don't know, but trust me I've known plenty of white kids who talk about how thug and ghetto they are but when they go home at night they are sleeping in a $300K house in the suburbs.
So in the interest of making money, the record companies have pushed on black youths a cultural ideal that says that if you go to school and work hard and get a good job you are a sellout, and uncle tom and you are working for whitey. If you sit on your ass, beat your woman, pimp lots of hoes, drink 40s and smoke trees, and roll a pimped out car you are a success. Its ok for rappers to act like that because their record sales are bringing them millions of dollars. But they forgot to tell the average black youth that you aint gonna have that kind of life.
I'm just wondering when black America is going to wake up and realize that in the name of making some money they are ruining their entire culture. The 'cultural role model' rappers need to take some personal responsibility and realize that its not the white man holding their people down anymore, they are the ones doing the holding. Name a positive rap song which preaches the value of an education and hard work. Acutally, I can think of one. Too Short - Gettin It. But that is old school and I cant think of a single one that has come out in the last 5 years. |
Good post. I don't agree with some parts, but thats fine. It's still a good post. Now listen, the reason why the appeal and the music doesn't keep white youth down and it keeps black youth down is the following. 90% of the white youth come from better situations and for some reason understand that most of the stuff that the mainstream rappers say is bull. Why do they understand this? Because the white youth has had an opporunity to live a life outside of projects and hardships and get a decent education. To african-american youth this mainstream hip-hop culture appeals because they are in harder situations than the white youth, and due to this.. this culture blinds them and makes them want the same things these big rappers have.
Now about a song that tells to get education and stuff. Here...
Nas - I Can [2002]
2 pac - Changes [1996]
Now this one is the . Listen to COMMON's verse. Very last verse. He talks about mainstream hip-hop.
Kanye West - Get 'em high (feat Talib Kweli and Common) [2003] |
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