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Question for the pro-Palestinians... (pg. 2)
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
"What would prevent an independent Palestine, especially Gaza, from becoming am international terrorist safe haven like Afghanistan under the Taliban?"
just to remind you of the question.
what, do i have to spell it out for you dip? |
Yes, quite. Anyway, to remind you of your reply to that question...
| quote: | geography.
social and economic infrastructure
the Syrians already have a monopoly on exporting terror |
In your mind (!) that may constitute a great answer, but unfortunately, your answer remains a collection of random phrases that mean absolutely nothing unless you expand on them and tell us how each one of them relates to the question... |
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| BadBadNeil |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
What would prevent an independent Palestine, especially Gaza, from becoming am international terrorist safe haven like Afghanistan under the Taliban? |
I'll throw a few ideas out there of why it would become militant.
1) The government of Palestine.
Arafat doesn't want to relinquish control of the government and I don't see him doing so anytime soon. The government leaders have such little support compared to the militant groups that they have no control over what happens in their own land. They couldn't reign in terrorists if they wanted to because the terrorists have almost become the government. I wouldn't be surprised if like in Syria, if Hamas and IJ and others had official buildings.
2) The infitada is just a lame excuse by the terrorist groups to attack Israel. They have said countless times they will never stop till Israel is destroyed. Therefore when there is "peace" and they have their own land they will just use the opportunity to get stronger and continue attacks, only this time its harder for Israel to retaliate. Giving the palestinians their own land really is only giving terrorists the right to freely attack Israel.
3) Currently they have their hands full. In the current situation they are stuck in a struggle with Israel and Israel pretty much controls their territory to a degree in that they can enter and take hold when they wish. When they no longer have to fear Israel coming into their property and killing the militants, they will have a greater opportunity to focus on other areas of the world and being in a central location to Egypt, Syria, SA, Jordan, etc it seems like a likely place for them to congregate.
4) Porous borders. Currently Israel controls what is coming in and out of their borders to an extent, they want to limit the weapons. When they have their own state, the borders will be quite porous and I'm sure you will see stockpiles of weapons, etc with no one to stop them anymore.
5) Refugees. There are quite a few Palestinians outside the land who cannot return, in fact possibly in the millions. I am quite sure that the last few years of hardships will turn many of the youth into those seeking to join militant groups and will probably blame the US, Israel, etc. I also believe that groups like Al Qaida will see this and enter Palestine trying to influence the youth into joining their path.
What would prevent this...?
1) Dismantling all militant groups.
2) Holding any suicide bombings or attacks directly accountable to the government of palestine.
3) Creating sanctions against them if any of these events occur.
4) Forming a watchdog agency that will monitor the situation in Palestine.
5) Building jobs, free income society, with more hope for a good life.
6) Giving people who have been separated from their families a chance to return.
etc etc |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by BadBadNeil
What would prevent this...?
1) Dismantling all militant groups.
2) Holding any suicide bombings or attacks directly accountable to the government of palestine.
3) Creating sanctions against them if any of these events occur.
4) Forming a watchdog agency that will monitor the situation in Palestine.
5) Building jobs, free income society, with more hope for a good life.
6) Giving people who have been separated from their families a chance to return.
etc etc |
I sitll think oppression is the cure :eyes:
:disbelief :D |
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| occrider |
Well things aren't looking good for Gaza ...
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/m...east/index.html
I think we're going to see more Palestinian vs. Palestinian clashes and terrorism as all these radical militant groups vye for power. Reminds me of an npr story when the IDF pulled out of Nablus or somwhere, the corrupt infrastructure and police failed to prevent militants and armed gangs from roaming the streets and controlling the town. The citizens got so fed up they actually wanted the IDF to come back. |
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| Yoepus |
good point. Looks like good'ol oppression is working out afterall:p
(I hope I'll bait someone eventually.....:D ) |
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| donegalredneck |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
What would prevent an independent Palestine, especially Gaza, from becoming am international terrorist safe haven like Afghanistan under the Taliban? |
Any alternative to what's in existance there today couldn't be any worse than it already is. A terrorist haven as you've described it, Israel. |
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| JM |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
no fear, they won't be in power in 2005. |
so you think. what you think Kerry will back out from the war on terrorism? there's no quick way out of any war, especially the war on terrorism.
>JM< |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by JM
so you think. what you think Kerry will back out from the war on terrorism? there's no quick way out of any war, especially the war on terrorism.
>JM< |
NO worries, if the americans vote properly this time, the US will rid the terrorists currently in office. |
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| LiquidX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
your absolutely nuts. i'm just as brainwashed as you are.
oh wait, your Syrian aren't you? my bad.
bias is a bitch aint it? |
heh Is interesting to see the TWO extreme sides collide :tongue3 |
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| LiquidX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
NO worries, if the americans vote properly this time, the US will rid the terrorists currently in office. |
I would say Mafia heh.:D |
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| Delay Llama |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
What would prevent an independent Palestine, especially Gaza, from becoming am international terrorist safe haven like Afghanistan under the Taliban? |
House music and rave culture :cool:
Get to E rock! :toocool: |
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| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Apr. 24, 2004 13:38 | Updated Apr. 24, 2004 19:40
Zur: Israel has infiltrated Hamas leadership
By JPOST.COM STAFF
Border Police head Cmdr. David Zur, said Saturday that "Israel has people in the leadership of the Hamas." Zur was responding to a question posed to him regarding Israel's success in finding and killing top terrorist leaders, Ynet reported.
Zur was speaking at a cultural event in Beer Sheba.
"We are excelling in everything connected to human intelligence. We're investing in agents. Israel has excelled beyond belief in this field," Zur said.
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Zur: Israel has infiltrated Hamas leadership (Jerusalem Post Online article)
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Sharon 'Alliance With Hamas' Exposed
Inside Israel itself, evidence of opposition to Sharon's actions is showing up in the press. In fact, some are exposing that Sharon has a secret deal with Hamas, reporting that a stormy Cabinet meeting followed Sharon's return from the United States after meeting with President Bush, Secretary of State Colin Powell, and National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice. In the Cabinet session, members of Sharon's inner circle were pounding the table and telling Foreign Minister Shimon Peres that they intend to bring the deadly Hamas group that claimed credit for the suicide terrorist acts, into power to replace Arafat. At that point, led by Peres, Labor Party members of the governing coalition walked out of the meeting, and are now debating whether to bring down the Sharon government.
This Faustian pact with Hamas was detailed in a Dec. 4 Ha'aretz article by senior commentator Akiva Eldar, who revealed that at a Cabinet meeting, Minister Silvan Shalom blasted Peres for advocating "negotiations" with Arafat. Shalom stated, "Between Hamas and Arafat, I prefer Hamas," adding that Arafat is a "terrorist in a diplomat's suit, while Hamas can be hit unmercifully ... there won't be any international protests." The London Times, owned by Rupert Murdoch, one of Sharon's biggest backers, also reported that Sharon's Cabinet wants Hamas to replace Arafat.
Those familiar with the 30-years-long mode of operation of Israel's "Terror Against Terror" hit teams, dismiss the standard "preventive retaliation" explanation as calculated double-talk: The assassinations are pre-calculated to provoke revenge strikes from Hamas or other terrorists, which in turn unleash the IDF generals.
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Sharon 'Alliance With Hamas' Exposed (Executive Intelligence Review online article link) |
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