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Mulsim Charity in USA Supporting Hamas with $$ Millions
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| JM |
ok. this is it... i just don't know what to think anymore. everywhere you turn, you got Muslim terrorists, and their supporters.
check this report below...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5528091/
Muslim charity, seven men charged
Justice Department alleges ties to Hamas - The Associated Press
Updated: 3:50 p.m. ET July 27, 2004DALLAS -
A major American Muslim charity and seven of its officers were charged Tuesday with providing millions of dollars in support to Hamas, a Palestinian terrorist organization blamed for dozens of suicide bomber attacks in Israel.
The 42-count indictment, returned by a federal grand jury in Dallas, alleges that the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development provided more than $12.4 million to individuals and organizations linked to Hamas from 1995 to 2001. The U.S. government froze the charity’s assets in December 2001.
The indictment names the foundation along with its president, Shukri Abu Baker; chairman, Ghassan Elashi; executive director, Haitham Maghawri; and four others. The charges include conspiracy, providing material support to a foreign terrorist organization, tax evasion and money laundering.
Five of the seven defendants were arrested while two of them, Maghawri and Akram Mishal, are not in the United States and are considered to be fugitives, the attorney general said.
“To those who exploit good hearts to secretly fund violence and murder, this prosecution sends a clear message: There is no distinction between those who carry out terrorist attacks and those who knowingly finance terrorist attacks,” Attorney General John Ashcroft said at a news conference to announce charges.
Noting that a number of Americans have been Hamas victims, Ashcroft said, “Today, a U.S.-based charity that claims to do good works is charged with funding the works of evil.”
The attorney general said the foundation gave money to the families of Hamas terrorists killed and jailed by Israel.
“In this manner, the defendants effectively rewarded past, and encouraged future suicide bombings and terrorist activities on behalf of Hamas.”
Foundation says case fabricated
Tim Evans, Elashi’s attorney, did not immediately return a telephone call seeking comment Tuesday.
On Monday, the foundation filed a complaint with the inspector general of the Justice Department and asked for an investigation because it claimed the FBI fabricated its case.
Holy Land, which claims to be the largest U.S. Muslim charity, has been shut down since about $4 million of its assets were frozen by the U.S. government in late 2001. Federal courts have repeatedly rejected Holy Land’s appeals to get its assets unfrozen, concluding that the government has sufficient evidence linking the charity to terrorism.
The charity has insisted that its money went only for relief to refugees, orphans and disaster victims. In 2000, it raised about $13 million for what charity officials said were schools and social programs in Palestinian-controlled areas and other mainly Islamic nations.
Ties to Hamas alleged
The indictment charges that Holy Land provided financial aid to Hamas as far back as 1988.
John Boyd, a lawyer for the Holy Land Foundation, said he had not seen the indictment and could not comment in detail. However, he questioned the use of old transactions in the indictment.
“If these are related to transactions in ’88 and ’89, that is six years before Hamas committed its first terrorist acts and seven years before Hamas was declared a terrorist organization,” Boyd said.
Israel banned Holy Land from operating within its borders in 1997 and said it funneled money to the families of suicide bombers. Israeli government officials hailed the U.S. move against the group.
Holy Land had close ties to a computer and Internet-hosting company in suburban Dallas that was raided a few days before the terror attacks in September 2001. Agents seized computer hard drives and boxes of documents from the offices of InfoCom Corp. — directly across the street from Holy Land’s offices. |
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| Q5echo |
| i had totally forgotten about this 3yrs. ago. interested in seeing where this goes. |
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| St_Andrew |
| too lazy to read the whole article atm. but i think you miss one point. hammas is much more than a terrorist organization. |
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| Cyrus King |
| ok. this is it... i just don't know what to think anymore. everywhere you turn, you got Jewish charities supporting the state-terror of israel |
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| ogvh5150 |
Zur: Israel has infiltrated Hamas leadership (Jerusalem Post Online article)
| quote: | Apr. 24, 2004 13:38 | Updated Apr. 24, 2004 19:40
Zur: Israel has infiltrated Hamas leadership
By JPOST.COM STAFF
Border Police head Cmdr. David Zur, said Saturday that "Israel has people in the leadership of the Hamas." Zur was responding to a question posed to him regarding Israel's success in finding and killing top terrorist leaders, Ynet reported.
Zur was speaking at a cultural event in Beer Sheba.
"We are excelling in everything connected to human intelligence. We're investing in agents. Israel has excelled beyond belief in this field," Zur said.
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Sharon 'Alliance With Hamas' Exposed (Executive Intelligence Review online article link)
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Sharon 'Alliance With Hamas' Exposed
Inside Israel itself, evidence of opposition to Sharon's actions is showing up in the press. In fact, some are exposing that Sharon has a secret deal with Hamas, reporting that a stormy Cabinet meeting followed Sharon's return from the United States after meeting with President Bush, Secretary of State Colin Powell, and National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice. In the Cabinet session, members of Sharon's inner circle were pounding the table and telling Foreign Minister Shimon Peres that they intend to bring the deadly Hamas group that claimed credit for the suicide terrorist acts, into power to replace Arafat. At that point, led by Peres, Labor Party members of the governing coalition walked out of the meeting, and are now debating whether to bring down the Sharon government.
This Faustian pact with Hamas was detailed in a Dec. 4 Ha'aretz article by senior commentator Akiva Eldar, who revealed that at a Cabinet meeting, Minister Silvan Shalom blasted Peres for advocating "negotiations" with Arafat. Shalom stated, "Between Hamas and Arafat, I prefer Hamas," adding that Arafat is a "terrorist in a diplomat's suit, while Hamas can be hit unmercifully ... there won't be any international protests." The London Times, owned by Rupert Murdoch, one of Sharon's biggest backers, also reported that Sharon's Cabinet wants Hamas to replace Arafat.
Those familiar with the 30-years-long mode of operation of Israel's "Terror Against Terror" hit teams, dismiss the standard "preventive retaliation" explanation as calculated double-talk: The assassinations are pre-calculated to provoke revenge strikes from Hamas or other terrorists, which in turn unleash the IDF generals.
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Analysis: Hamas history tied to Israel UPI link here
| quote: | Analysis: Hamas history tied to Israel
By Richard Sale
UPI Terrorism Correspondent
Published 6/18/2002 8:13 PM
In the wake of a suicide bomb attack Tuesday on a crowded Jerusalem city bus that killed 19 people and wounded at least 70 more, the Islamic Resistance Movement, Hamas, took credit for the blast.
Israeli officials called it the deadliest attack in Jerusalem in six years.
Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon immediately vowed to fight "Palestinian terror" and summoned his cabinet to decide on a military response to the organization that Sharon had once described as "the deadliest terrorist group that we have ever had to face."
Active in Gaza and the West Bank, Hamas wants to liberate all of Palestine and establish a radical Islamic state in place of Israel. It is has gained notoriety with its assassinations, car bombs and other acts of terrorism.
But Sharon left something out.
Israel and Hamas may currently be locked in deadly combat, but, according to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years.
Israel "aided Hamas directly -- the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)," said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies.
Israel's support for Hamas "was a direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative," said a former senior CIA official.
According to documents United Press International obtained from the Israel-based Institute for Counter Terrorism, Hamas evolved from cells of the Muslim Brotherhood, founded in Egypt in 1928. Islamic movements in Israel and Palestine were "weak and dormant" until after the 1967 Six Day War in which Israel scored a stunning victory over its Arab enemies.
After 1967, a great part of the success of the Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood was due to their activities among the refugees of the Gaza Strip. The cornerstone of the Islamic movements success was an impressive social, religious, educational and cultural infrastructure, called Da'wah, that worked to ease the hardship of large numbers of Palestinian refugees, confined to camps, and many who were living on the edge.
"Social influence grew into political influence," first in the Gaza Strip, then on the West Bank, said an administration official who spoke on condition of anonymity.
According to ICT papers, Hamas was legally registered in Israel in 1978 by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the movement's spiritual leader, as an Islamic Association by the name Al-Mujamma al Islami, which widened its base of supporters and sympathizers by religious propaganda and social work.
According to U.S. administration officials, funds for the movement came from the oil-producing states and directly and indirectly from Israel. The PLO was secular and leftist and promoted Palestinian nationalism. Hamas wanted to set up a transnational state under the rule of Islam, much like Khomeini's Iran.
What took Israeli leaders by surprise was the way the Islamic movements began to surge after the Iranian revolution, after armed resistance to Israel sprang up in southern Lebanon vis-à-vis the Hezbollah, backed by Iran, these sources said.
"Nothing provides the energy for imitation as much as success," commented one administration expert.
A further factor of Hamas' growth was the fact the PLO moved its base of operations to Beirut in the '80s, leaving the Islamic organization to grow in influence in the Occupied Territories "as the court of last resort," he said.
When the intifada began, Israeli leadership was surprised when Islamic groups began to surge in membership and strength. Hamas immediately grew in numbers and violence. The group had always embraced the doctrine of armed struggle, but the doctrine had not been practiced and Islamic groups had not been subjected to suppression the way groups like Fatah had been, according to U.S. government officials.
But with the triumph of the Khomeini revolution in Iran, with the birth of Iranian-backed Hezbollah terrorism in Lebanon, Hamas began to gain in strength in Gaza and then in the West Bank, relying on terror to resist the Israeli occupation.
Israel was certainly funding the group at that time. One U.S. intelligence source who asked not to be named said that not only was Hamas being funded as a "counterweight" to the PLO, Israeli aid had another purpose: "To help identify and channel towards Israeli agents Hamas members who were dangerous terrorists."
In addition, by infiltrating Hamas, Israeli informers could only listen to debates on policy and identify Hamas members who "were dangerous hard-liners," the official said.
In the end, as Hamas set up a very comprehensive counterintelligence system, many collaborators with Israel were weeded out and shot. Violent acts of terrorism became the central tenet, and Hamas, unlike the PLO, was unwilling to compromise in any way with Israel, refusing to acquiesce in its very existence.
But even then, some in Israel saw some benefits to be had in trying to continue to give Hamas support: "The thinking on the part of some of the right-wing Israeli establishment was that Hamas and the others, if they gained control, would refuse to have any part of the peace process and would torpedo any agreements put in place," said a U.S. government official who asked not to be named.
"Israel would still be the only democracy in the region for the United States to deal with," he said.
All of which disgusts some former U.S. intelligence officials.
"The thing wrong with so many Israeli operations is that they try to be too sexy," said former CIA official Vincent Cannestraro.
According to former State Department counter-terrorism official Larry Johnson, "the Israelis are their own worst enemies when it comes to fighting terrorism."
"The Israelis are like a guy who sets fire to his hair and then tries to put it out by hitting it with a hammer."
"They do more to incite and sustain terrorism than curb it," he said.
Aid to Hamas may have looked clever, "but it was hardly designed to help smooth the waters," he said. "An operation like that gives weight to President George Bush's remark about there being a crisis in education."
Cordesman said that a similar attempt by Egyptian intelligence to fund Egypt's fundamentalists had also come to grief because of "misreading of the complexities."
An Israeli defense official was asked if Israel had given aid to Hamas said, "I am not able to answer that question. I was in Lebanon commanding a unit at the time, besides it is not my field of interest."
Asked to confirm a report by U.S. officials that Brig. Gen. Yithaq Segev, the military governor of Gaza, had told U.S. officials he had helped fund "Islamic movements as a counterweight to the PLO and communists," the official said he could confirm only that he believed Segev had served back in 1986.
The Israeli Embassy press office referred UPI to its Web site when asked to comment.
Copyright © 2001-2004 United Press International
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Kiss of death? Jerusalem Post online (registration needed) article here
| quote: | Jan. 22, 2004 12:00
Kiss of death?
By KHALED ABU TOAMEH
Hamas's rising popularity has PA officials wondering whether Arafat's failure to quash the organization will lead to his own demise
As Yasser Arafat and the PLO leaders were packing their bags and getting ready to move from Tunis to the Gaza Strip in 1994, the leaders of Hamas held an urgent meeting in Gaza City to discuss the repercussions of the Oslo Accords and the establishment of the Palestinian Authority.
Mahmoud Zahar, one of the top Hamas leaders who attended the meeting, recalls that participants agreed on the need to avoid a confrontation with Arafat and his newly established security forces.
"We stressed that civil war is a red line that should never be crossed because every drop of Palestinian blood is sacred," says Zahar.
Hamas knew already back then that it would lose points on the Palestinian street if it initiated a confrontation with the newly established PA government. Although it strongly opposed the Oslo Accords, Hamas's strategy was to sit on the fence and let the people see for themselves that the agreement would not work.
Another Hamas official, who asked not to be named, said some of his colleagues expressed concern that Arafat, with the backing of the international community and the Palestinian public, would try to eliminate the Islamic movement and all Palestinian opposition factions.
"It was clear that the US, Israel, and the Europeans would give Arafat billions of dollars so that he could fight Hamas and look after Israel's security," said the official. "This was the main condition for allowing him and the PLO to come to the West Bank and Gaza Strip."
But since then the relationship between Hamas and Arafat has been complex and tense. Over the past decade, Arafat's policy has been to use Hamas and Islamic Jihad as an excuse for milking millions of dollars from the international community under the pretext of fighting terror. But despite the huge funds allocated to the PA security forces, Arafat prevented the complete destruction of Hamas, although there were times when he thought that the movement was planning to topple him.
Even before he arrived in Gaza City, Arafat considered Hamas to be a serious challenge to his one-man authority. Needless to say, Arafat is extremely intolerant when it comes to anyone challenging his power, even when the threat is from his staunchest loyalists. In an attempt to delegitimize Hamas in the eyes of the Palestinians, Arafat went as far as claiming that the movement was created with the help of Israel in order to undermine the PLO. Arafat aides repeatedly argued that his intention was not to destroy Hamas, but to weaken it and turn it into a political party with no military wing.
IN A 1996 interview with the Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera, Arafat said, "We are doing everything possible to stop the violence. But Hamas is a creature of Israel which, at the time of [former] Prime Minister [Yitzhak] Shamir gave them money and more than 700 institutions, among them schools, universities and mosques. Even [former Israeli prime minister Yitzhak] Rabin ended up admitting it, when I charged him with it, in the presence of [Egyptian President Hosni] Mubarak."
Arafat repeated his charges in another interview with the Italian newspaper L'Espresso: "Hamas was constituted with the support of Israel. The aim was to create an organization antagonistic to the PLO. They [Hamas] received financing and training from Israel. They have continued to benefit from permits and authorizations, while we have been limited, even [for permits] to build a tomato factory. Rabin himself defined it as a fatal error. Some collaborators with Israel are involved in these [terrorist] attacks. We have the proof, and we are placing it at the disposal of the Italian government."
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| Q5echo |
lets not forget the solid punch to the Islamo-facist kidneys that was the breakup of Al-Haramain:whip:
You can thank Prince Bandar, the Brits and the U.S. for that...and the UN |
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| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Originally posted by guetag
adding that Arafat is a "terrorist in a diplomat's suit, while Hamas can be hit unmercifully |
The Hamas-Likud Pairing
| quote: | Originally posted by Jerusalem Post on August 28, 1995
THE HAMAS-LIKUD PAIRING
Editorial from August 25, 1995
THE complex Israeli-Palestinian relationship has given birth to a nasty new myth which began, like many such myths, with a lie so egregious that it could only be considered laughable. Now it threatens to become conventional wisdom.
Soon after the Beit Lid massacre, in which 21 Israeli soldiers were killed by two Islamic Jihad suicide bombers, Palestinian Authority chief Yasser Arafat told a group of visiting dignitaries that right-wing Israelis had collaborated with the killers. Otherwise, he said, the killers could not have passed through several army checkposts without being stopped.
The implications were mind-boggling: not only was Arafat implying that Israelis would participate in the mass murder of Israeli soldiers. He was saying that the Israeli conspirators were so powerful that they could exercise control over the army units all along the route the killers took from Gaza to Beit Lid.
The visitors who heard the story, knowing that it could only be interpreted as the ravings of a lunatic, kept it mostly to themselves.
Being supporters of the peace process, they thought reporting it would embarrass Arafat and harm his credibility. But at least one listener divulged its contents privately, and it became known. To the amazement of many, Arafat kept repeating it both before visitors from abroad and to visiting Israelis.
On Tuesday, the day after the bus bombing in Jerusalem, Arafat decided to come out publicly with these "revelations." He not only announced in Gaza that there was collaboration between what he called "Israeli and Palestinian extremists," but that he had documents proving it.
One of his lieutenants, Secretary-General of the Palestinian Authority Tayeb Raheem, went into details. He said that the Israeli army and other security services contained secret organizations like the French OAS during Algeria's war of independence. They and the Islamic fanatics have a common interest to defeat the Oslo agreement, he said, repeating that the PLO has documents to prove the allegation.
On the Voice of Palestine radio he went further, asserting specifically that these "extremist elements" want to weaken both the PLO and the Israel Labor Party, and that they hope the Likud will return to power. To prove his point he reminded his listeners that the Islamic militants started growing under Likud rule and that there is "coordination and collaboration" between them. Moreover, many of them called on their followers inside Israel to vote for "extremist parties like Shas."
Raheem's "proof" for the collaboration between Israeli rightists and the militants consists of testimony by Gaza residents accused of recruiting young men for terrorist strikes. "They admitted that they sent the two Islamic operatives who hit Beit Lid to the Dahaniya camp, where only collaborators with Israel can enter, and that the terrorists spent the night in
Dahaniya, and got Israeli uniforms and explosives there," he said. "We hope that Israeli decision-makers will understand that there are forces in Israel who are coordinated with extremist elements in Gaza."
It would be easy to dismiss such insults to the intelligence as childish efforts to explain away Arafat's inability or unwillingness to control Islamic terrorism. They are such crude imitations of Nazi and Soviet techniques that they cannot be taken seriously even as "Big Lie" propaganda.
But the attempt to portray the Islamic terrorists as opponents of the Labor government rather than as enemies of the State of Israel (and Jews in general) is no longer confined to the PLO. Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin has often accused his opposition of collaborating with Hamas by calling for the suspension of the talks with the Palestinians; and the latest Hamas broadcast from Damascus, which vowed to cause the fall of the Rabin government, has provided
Labor with ammunition.
The Peace Bloc faction of the peace camp, whose slogans are all too often taken up by Labor, yesterday published an advertisement alleging that, "There is now a partnership-of-purpose between the enemies of peace of the two nations - [aimed at] toppling Rabin and Arafat, burying the Oslo agreement, and preventing reconciliation between [Palestinians and Israelis. ]" The New York Times headlined a story on Wednesday, "Arab Militants and Israeli Rightists Both Seek to Oust Rabin."
Before obscene parallels are drawn between the democratic opposition in Israel and Hamas terrorists, it may be wise to realize that fanatic Moslem leaders always personalize their enemies. Ayatollah Khomeini considered then president Jimmy Carter his nemesis and - vowing to bring about his downfall - refused to release the American Embassy hostages before Carter left office. Saddam Hussein made his war with the West a personal vendetta with then president George Bush. For Hamas, the current villain is Rabin, who expelled 400 of its operatives in 1992 and arrested 4,000 of them in the past few months. To suggest that Hamas would rather see the Likud in power
is to trivialize the depth of its hatred for Israel.
It is not difficult to imagine what the pairing of Likud and Hamas is intended to achieve. The agreement between Arafat's PA and Hamas allows the Islamic organization to function with impunity in Gaza. The latest GSS bust of a Hamas cell responsible for the recent bus bombing has revealed that the suicide bombers received their training and instructions in Gaza. All Israeli security agencies agree that none of Arafat's nine security forces is truly fighting the terrorist groups. There is no better way to deflect attention from this dereliction than to charge that Israel's right wing helps the terrorists. It would be a shame if the Labor Party stoops to using this charge for its own election purposes.
(c) JPFS 1995
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | | Originally posted by ogvh5150 |
How do any of the links you've posted constitute a relevant discussion of this topic? In fact, how to they constitute a discussion at all, seeing as how you don't bother to make any of your own points? Hell, these aren't even factual articles you're posting, they're all editorials and opinion papers and statements from politicians on completely unrelated topics! And as for the one about Israel having operatives in Hamas, I don't even have to give it a second look to know that the quote is taken completely out of context!
If you want to post your rants then fine but save them for an appropriate time and place - this isn't it. I have yet to see ANYONE respond with a serious criticism of the article - just lame one-line retorts. |
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| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
How do any of the links you've posted constitute a relevant discussion of this topic? In fact, how to they constitute a discussion at all, seeing as how you don't bother to make any of your own points? |
Simple, read the parts in orange. Or even better just read the whole articles.
| quote: | | Hell, these aren't even factual articles you're posting, they're all editorials and opinion papers and statements from politicians on completely unrelated topics! And as for the one about Israel having operatives in Hamas, I don't even have to give it a second look to know that the quote is taken completely out of context! |
I guess Jerusalem Post Online is completely telling lies. Same thing with Tony Cordesman who is a senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. Or Commander Zur who must be talking about another Hamas.
| quote: | | If you want to post your rants then fine but save them for an appropriate time and place - this isn't it. I have yet to see ANYONE respond with a serious criticism of the article - just lame one-line retorts. |
I just post corraborating evidence up, not one line rants. I let the information speak for itself. I am sorry if I can't help you perpetuate your passion for truth albeit from credible sources. |
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| Flotser |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
too lazy to read the whole article atm. but i think you miss one point. hammas is much more than a terrorist organization. |
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are you serious? (and i dont think he missed this point because the article talks about court desicion, so maybe the judjes missed that point :))
what exactly is hammas doing that is so good for the palestinian people that they diserve million of $$ from a mislim charity?
(i can give you tons of bad things they do for the palestinian people) |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Flotser
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are you serious? (and i dont think he missed this point because the article talks about court desicion, so maybe the judjes missed that point :))
what exactly is hammas doing that is so good for the palestinian people that they diserve million of $$ from a mislim charity?
(i can give you tons of bad things they do for the palestinian people) |
as to my understanding hammas is taking care of a lot of buisness that the government should do. Like day care for example. |
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| FederalBI |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
as to my understanding hammas is taking care of a lot of buisness that the government should do. Like day care for example. |
don't make me laugh if you were any updated to what happening in han unes (which is a a palestinians refugee camp ) people are fighting with the terorists so they won't send missiles near their houses and in one of the fights when a palestinian family didn't agree to launch missiles from its house the terorists came and killed the son of the family. that an example for you to know what are they doing for them.
and you made another laugh about day care!? don't even start bulling they take children from day care put vests with bombs on them and send them to suicide(and i don't care about the crap they do it because they don't have houses and , the fact they send children to explode themself like little sissies) |
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