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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by FederalBI
don't make me laugh if you were any updated to what happening in han unes (which is a a palestinians refugee camp ) people are fighting with the terorists so they won't send missiles near their houses and in one of the fights when a palestinian family didn't agree to launch missiles from its house the terorists came and killed the son of the family. that an example for you to know what are they doing for them.
and you made another laugh about day care!? don't even start bulling they take children from day care put vests with bombs on them and send them to suicide(and i don't care about the crap they do it because they don't have houses and , the fact they send children to explode themself like little sissies) |
That was what a girl said to me, and she had been in israel/palestine for 6 months studing the conflict, of course she may just have lied :rolleyes:
But of course hammas does a lot of stuid things, as does the Israeli governemnt. I take no side in this conflict, they are booth as bad imo |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
as to my understanding hammas is taking care of a lot of buisness that the government should do. Like day care for example. |
You may have just pinpointed one of the biggest problems. Read: Brainwashing. |
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| FederalBI |
you just have to know onw think ,
the palestinian goverment does ... they don't even try to stop terror the israeli activitis are activies inorder to protect them selfs israel has taht right i think so no!?
in order to protect them self israel gotta kill the terorists cause there is nothing else you can do against them they see blood in their eyes and nothing beside it. |
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| hausmusic |
Palestine’s government doesn’t have the means to do anything to Hamas or Israel. If they can’t provide protection for them why would they disarm the people who are trying to protect the people? Oh yeah Flotser is being "Brainwashed" by someone who actually went to Israel/Palestine and is actually saying s/he’s not taking sides.
Hamas is responsible for building many schools in Palestine. When is the last time you heard of Palestinians bulldozing houses in Israel to find the killers of their women and children. Don’t be blind bro everyone is trying their best not to take sides. I know a lot of Jewish people Israeli people who are more aware of the situation than I an, I wish could agree with you but it’s not a fact. And I am not trying to downplay suicide bombings that is a horrific form of terrorism. But, I don’t see taking arms in your OWN COUNTRY as a terrorist act. Do you? And if you do look at the terrorist act, the person doing the bombing does die doesn’t he? It’s not like he gains from it. When it comes down to it his family doesn’t gain from it either, there have been unproven reports of families being paid but majority 99% (not a fact but it’s a high percentage) of suicide bombers families or loved ones have been killed by Israeli’s. But lets face it, its up to the guy to actually do it so he has to have faced severe trauma, why do people commit suicide?
A Jewish friend of mine led me to this story. This is a recollection of some person in Ramallah, the West Bank. Now if you do not feel this as a viable source feel free to check Human Rights Watch. They are urging Sharon to be charged with War Crimes and you can check out Israeli to Palestinian death ratio is near accurate as well.
Palestine/Israel:
Do you know your ABCs?
By Tzaporah Ryter
I am a Jewish woman with family who lived in Haifa from 10 generations ago, prior to the Zionist project. I just returned from living in Ramallah, the West Bank, Occupied Palestine for eight months. I was involved there in nonviolent demonstrations and acts of grassroots international intervention and solidarity. In the nonviolent demonstrations in which I participated -such as dismantling with our bare hands the roadblocks that prevent thousands of people from accessing vocation, trade, basic services and even emergency medical treatment- I cannot tell you how many people I saw shot, wounded and killed. I lost count.
After the first murder I witnessed of the man standing in front of me, I grew numb. Then it was just a stream of bodies -the guy with his head blown off, the little boys so small you don't even need a stretcher for them, and old women- carried off into ambulances which every single time were shot at by the Israelis directly on the driver's side of the windshield. Ambulances turned back at checkpoints.
Throughout this Intifada/Israeli Siege, what I witnessed was an overwhelmingly nonviolent struggle within civil society for justice. Every one of the endless demonstrations I attended began as marches with signs, banners and chants. The Israelis shot first every single time before any rocks were thrown. Rocks -thrown at armored jeeps- seldom hit fenders -stones that are a symbolic way of saying, “We will resist our oppression, even if you have a tank and I have a rock.” In fact, the Israeli soldiers even shot at some of our demonstrations when we were singing “we shall overcome” and no stones were thrown even after the Israeli soldiers began and continued to shoot us! Every night I went to sleep to the sound of shells falling on the nearby school for blind children. I walked to do my shopping past 10-year-old boys with patches over their eyes. How come all of them in the eye? Accident? That's quite a sharp-shooting accident.
The death toll for the Israelis is about 100, the death toll for the Palestinians about 600. Numbers cannot reflect the losses. The Palestinians also have about 20,000 wounded civilians, some in critical condition and many permanently disabled while hospitals are being attacked and medical clinics destroyed. I had to walk through streets of crippled people, through the human traffic of funerals, which become demonstrations, which become more funerals, just to get a can of soda. And that's just Area A.
Area A is like a vacation. Don't know what that is? Learn your ABCs. I'll be happy to help you. Then maybe we can have a conversation. In Areas B and C -where the majority of people live in villages completely surrounded by clusters of Israeli settlements such as Ariel, which even within Barak's generous offer were set to remain permanently, in order to maintain permanent military bases- life is much worse. The children cannot breathe. The tear gas day and night being thrown at their windows has damaged their respiratory systems, maybe irrevocably at this point. I have even tried to scream at the soldiers pleading, “the children are being taken to the hospital.” But then they shot at me so I ran back inside the house I was visiting.
Night and day there are settlers attacking, backed up by soldiers, shooting into the villages and screaming “Death to the Arabs,” burning down property, even marching into schools in broad daylight and shooting the kids. The soldiers shot my friend in the middle of the day while he was standing outside his house bringing the kids inside as the troops stomped through the village. They threw a stun grenade into his brother's face and then pointed an M-16 at his head and threatened to shoot anyone who would try to bring my friend to an emergency medical vehicle. It took 30 minutes before he was permitted to be taken to a hospital. Now he is paralyzed.
This is only a partial list of what I have witnessed in the past eight months. What is happening is called ethnic cleansing. The death toll in baseball terms may be 100 to 600, but this isn't baseball. The figures do not describe the conditions of life the Palestinians are living under, which is a fabric torn from the seams of hell that you cannot imagine without knowing it firsthand. One side goes out dancing in nightclubs when it gets dark (a nightclub right next to the Russian compound where Palestinian detainees are being interrogated and tortured while listening to people laughing and drinking and dancing). The other side sits in fear inside their homes or is under forced curfew. I have lived on both sides and I am not sure the realities are in the same universe.
This is an army -one of the most powerful in the world- against a civilian population. This Israeli army has an intact infrastructure and state and a government capable to give orders to kill -or not to kill. The Palestinians do not have an intact infrastructure, state or government capable of telling anyone anything in particular. I will let you in on a little secret. Not even Chairman Arafat can stop suicide bombers. Only justice can. And no, Mr. Baehr, of course it is not the collaborators that are killing the Israelis. (Although, as far as shots at night go toward the settlements and collaborators/Israelis doing it, I can tell you only one inside scoop: The Israeli settlers chartered several buses and brought children to recently stand on the roof of Gilo settlement to watch the shelling. The point is, they had to schedule the occurrence and charter the buses, get it? And if it was so dangerous to the Israelis, why were they standing on the roof at the time eating treats?) People who have come to understand that violence is the only language the Israelis reward are killing the Israelis. Thus far they are absolutely correct. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon called the ceasefire after the suicide bomber at the mall. The Israelis are rewarding violence. Otherwise, why do they renew negotiations only after their own death toll is on the rise and why do they shoot nonviolent protestors?
Violence is less of a threat to Israel's existence in its present racist and fascist form than nonviolent public demonstrations and freedom of expression and the struggle for the exposure of truth, liberation and democracy and the end to Zionist apartheid. Violence should not be rewarded. But unfortunately it is -and it will be that way indefinitely until the international community takes a stand and insists upon international protection for the Palestinian people. Then, with the protection of the innocent, with freedom of expression, with the complete and total withdrawal from the Occupied Territories, can a discussion toward justice -toward what justice even means- begin.
I will let you in on another secret: the occupation is violence. There can be no negotiations under violence. When and if we finally reach it, it will be a long discussion -even prior to any successful or worthwhile negotiations- since currently even Israeli researchers are censored and taken to court for daring to publish their findings concerning what really did occur in the Palestinian massacres of 1947 and 1948. There is a lot to talk about before signing any deals or even bringing them to the table.
I hope that those who become defensive of Israel and upset can take a deep breath and consider, have they ever visited or lived in the West Bank or Gaza? Jennifer Gulbrandson has. I have. Rather than condemning Gulbrandson, we should all thank her for bringing back the truth and taking the effort to inform us and encourage us to think about it. I am sorry if this hurts some of those who feel for the Jewish people and for their difficult history. They are my people, too. My journey to the truth was very painful. But my people have no right to kill the Palestinians, steal their land, destroy their communities and culture and leave them refugees from their homeland. My people have no right to disregard international law and U.N. resolutions. Our history is not the fault of the Palestinians.
But the Palestinian history of recent generations is the fault of my people. After nearly 6,000 years of experience and survival, I think that my people can find more creative and ultimately sustainable ways to survive than by becoming murderers and war criminals or by choosing to be those who defend or support them.
Tzaporah Ryter, Minneapolis. |
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| FederalBI |
if you only knew , how much you know ...
you resay all the you see over sky news or something. |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by FederalBI
if you only knew , how much you know ...
you resay all the you see over sky news or something. |
if youonly knew how it was to suffer like a palestinian...but you dont becuase you can actually afford a functioning home with running water, couches, TV and an internet cable connection that enables you to sit your ass down on a chair and spew zionist bull here on the board. |
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| FederalBI |
you know like the rest of you who are living in far countries and only cause they have arabian last names they know .
well if you only knew how is it to be afraid to go on a bus in T"a or in any other place in israel ,... to live all day long in fear that something can explode. that some muslim extremist will kidnap you and send your body parts in bags for each one of your family. |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by FederalBI
you know like the rest of you who are living in far countries and only cause they have arabian last names they know .
well if you only knew how is it to be afraid to go on a bus in T"a or in any other place in israel ,... to live all day long in fear that something can explode. that some muslim extremist will kidnap you and send your body parts in bags for each one of your family. |
honestly, don't you realize that a palestinian has to sacrifice a lot more? |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by FederalBI
you know like the rest of you who are living in far countries and only cause they have arabian last names they know .
well if you only knew how is it to be afraid to go on a bus in T"a or in any other place in israel ,... to live all day long in fear that something can explode. that some muslim extremist will kidnap you and send your body parts in bags for each one of your family. |
If you support the occupation... you deserve to live in fear. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
If you support the occupation... you deserve to live in fear. |
sounds like something a murderer would say.
...and you have the ing nerve to vomit righteous indignation towards me and my country?
ing priviledged no-legacy-having, wannabe-freedom-fighter. |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
sounds like something a murderer would say.
...and you have the ing nerve to vomit righteous indignation towards me and my country?
ing priviledged no-legacy-having, wannabe-freedom-fighter. |
You also deserve to life in fear |
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| FederalBI |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
honestly, don't you realize that a palestinian has to sacrifice a lot more? |
i got nothing else to say you just will keep on resaying the things you see on T.V, not what is happening in real life.
just check out history when the UN announced of israel , the people over here wanted to live in peace with the arabs , but since UN announced about the state of israel the arabs knew that, this give them the right to open a war against israel since the British goverment is no more incharge in here and because all the arabs touhght Israel is weak cause of the houlocost and because its a new state but they had a big suprise not only israel won all the arabian states in the area which were , iraq , lebanon , syria ,jorden and egypt. israel made the arabs turn back, that what i can tell you for ages no matter how israel want to have peace arabs will always distroy it even in oslo when israel gave the arabs weapons they are now using those weapons agasint us. if you only could understand what are they teaching their childern in schools how to kill , how to murder they brain wash the new generation so the only thing they will know is how to kill and murder. |
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