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Politics & John Kerry (pg. 2)
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| DiS |
Havn't watched nor read the speech, but there is a fabilous article on it on Reason.com.
The following saying puts a smile on my face everytime. I can almost reach out and scream at the television "How about PAUL MARTIN for US PResidency?"
"America Can Do Better"
or was it
"We deserve more?"
or "We can do better?"
I can't remember.
Same b.s., just a different spelling. |
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| MarkT |
I have been half-paying attention to the election lead-up and watched part of his speech at the convention.
the bottom line...Kerry can't possibly be a more offensive jackass than Bush and his crew...so he gets my unoffical vote. |
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| djdustx |
Well for one i think it is not boring or un-interesting to watch politics in any nation because its very informative on how the future will be molded
I have watched the full Canadian Elections update through CBC and Global. I Took pride in voting for NDP's Leader Jack Layton for many reasons
1. is the only guy that doesnt have a ciminal face
2. is a "Independant thinker" meaning hes the one pulling his OWN strings
3. Hes for the working class and believes that every background/religon deserves to be respected (which is how everyone should act)
4. Very energetic speaker and overall character
5. That he will be fire on Paul Martins Ass who i believe is the stupidest alive...even worse then bush
these are some of the reasons which are important to me which is way i made that choice.
As For American Elections
I think since we are neighbors and there economy influences us...we should give a who is this countrys Leader...Without them we wouldnt have jobs/resources and lets face it they are our protects...seeing how we cant have a ing Sea King helicopter in the air for more then 30 minutes...not to mention the in idiots who destroyed the Avro Arrow porject which was the fastest and most effective attack jet ever.
I hope for Americans and so should we all hope that Domocratic Party wins...why? so they will bring jobs/feed hungry families/strengthen the research for stem cell research/Strengthen the Economy.
We should give a about whats happening around us people...lift up ur ing eyelids...I mean i dont know about the people who dont watch these elections...but i do...cuz i care about where my future is heading
ty
Sebastiano :nervous: :eyespop: :D |
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| djdustx |
I had just since this before my reply
Dear abort416
Ummm...do u follow CNN??...cuz it seems u dont since they had played a 55minute biography of Kerry??
Let me tell u what i've heard on the biography
Besides having his life in danger in Vietnam and serving with Honor and saving 5 of his men during a berage attack from the Viet...it said that he ran full out towards a Bazooka solider with a ing missile pointed at him...he ran striaght for him to be the last one standing...i was in awe
Back bencher??
Buddy what history do u follow...he was a head co-ordinator for a descision to help wives of Vietnam soliders who believed there husbands where still imprisoned there...which lead an investigation in Vietnam followed by a peace treaty with them in 95 by Clinton.
He also lead rallys against war in Vietnam and in any war...he had pointed out the true ciminals inside the senate
That is ur opinion but i must speak up to u and anyone else who follows ur belief
Bush is the way to go
He signed up for duty...but never showed
He did nothing to help health care
this man is a child of Satan becasue he doesnt give a about the poor/middle class or the environment
not to mention he totally up on this war
this man is simply a criminal...and how do u trust a man who never risked his life for his country and abandoned the notion of coming to duty who in his position of President spent 45% of his time on vacation?
How can u chose this over a man who risked his life...who wants to help the poor/middle class/health care/stemceel research/provide jobs
i was watching a rally for Kerry in Wisconsin...a voter called out
"Kerry means jobs"...think about it
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Sebastiano
:p :toothless
P.S. i hope all americans vote for a better future from a man who can provide a better one |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by djdustx
I have watched the full Canadian Elections update through CBC and Global. I Took pride in voting for NDP's Leader Jack Layton for many reasons
1. is the only guy that doesnt have a ciminal face
2. is a "Independant thinker" meaning hes the one pulling his OWN strings
3. Hes for the working class and believes that every background/religon deserves to be respected (which is how everyone should act)
4. Very energetic speaker and overall character
5. That he will be fire on Paul Martins Ass who i believe is the stupidest alive...even worse then bush
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Do you even know which policies Layton even stood for?
This one is the best though:
| quote: | 1. is the only guy that doesnt have a ciminal face
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Bahahahhahahahaha great criteria... :) |
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| TrueToTheCrew |
Why was TOTA forum not as eager to discuss our Canadian elections??
= Disgusted
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| Jayx1 |
| because people in Canada only complain about stuff they cant do anything about but are sheep when it comes down to actually having the ability to make the changes they supposedly want. |
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| abort416 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
because people in Canada only complain about stuff they cant do anything about but are sheep when it comes down to actually having the ability to make the changes they supposedly want. |
you preach it jayx1! im nodding my head in agreement!
i remember listening to 102.1 the edge (yes i like rock too) on the morning after the elections and i heard so many people call in and say..."i was goin to vote for the conservatives because the liberals were so corrupt but then when i got to the polling booth i decided to vote liberal to give them another chance because i just dont trust stephen harper"...and yet they trust paul martin who was finance minsiter during the sponsorship scandal when tens of millions of your taxdollars were stolen?
so basically paul martin is either
a) a moron who didnt notice MILLIONS OF DOLLARS being funneled away or
b) a criminal who stole MILLIONS OF DOLLARS from canada
either way he shouldnt be trusted to run a country
but stephen harper who was promising more money on independant investigators to make sure that the governments money is being spent properly....him you dont trust? good call canada! the liberals ads that vilified stephen harper obviously (and unfortunately) worked
and ontario/toronto was the biggest surprise
HELLO WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF GETTING BUMF#$%^ED BY DALTON MCGUINTY - A LIBERAL WHO IS BREAKING EVERY PROMISE HE MADE IN THE ELECTIONS |
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| charmscars |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
because people in Canada only complain about stuff they cant do anything about but are sheep when it comes down to actually having the ability to make the changes they supposedly want. |
maybe they don't want them. I don't think i'm a 'sheep' b/c i voted liberal. I agree w/ more moderate politics.
i think it's sad that only 8% of american's actually watched kerry's speach, even if you are going to vote for bush, it is still important to be informed about your own country's politics- this man me end up being the new leader whether they like it or not- might be a good idea to look into what he's all about. |
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| charmscars |
| quote: | Originally posted by TrueToTheCrew
Why was TOTA forum not as eager to discuss our Canadian elections??
= Disgusted
:whip: |
there were a truckload of posts about the cdn elections on TOTA. They are over now- so there's not much to discuss until some new changes are being made (there have been a few but nothing huge has really happened) and we are now discussing the american elections. Given the US's position, what goes on in that counry politically is worth paying attention to, as it will affect our country and the rest of teh world. |
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| discojoe |
I would say im pretty center thinking. I am a business student and believe in a strong business and low tax environment (not however when it means you run a 500 billon dollar deficit :rolleyes: ) But i also believe in pro-action vs reaction ( I believe higher quality of life in scandanavia/ most of canada can in part be attributed to it) I grew up in a city not a farm so alot of my values come from the 20th century. I think drugs, violent video games and pornography should be legal and i certainly dont think its anyones god given right to own a gun. (anyone who thinks its morally wrong to see a naked body in a TV show or magazine but has a gun stored in a closet next to their childrens bedroom, is pretty ed up in my opinion).
well i understand the logic of voting for someone because their party subscribes to the same values you do. I guess i have always been a liberal voter as they seem to hold similar moderate values. But to what point do you keep voting for a party or person just because of some traditional symetric values? I think unconditional support for a candidate or party is extremely dangerous and destructive, regardless of your political inclination.
Jayx1 I have read alot of your political posts and i think to a great extent you are right about the situation of the current liberal government. They have been in power for 10 years. The same leaders, the same powerful positions for 10 years. We have all read George Orwell, we all know what happens when people get ahold of power. It happens to everyone, whether you are right wing or left wing it happens when you get into power. Anyone who gets into a situation of unchecked, unconditional power is going to abuse it in some way. Whether you offer a job to a family member or take an opportunity to raise your salary for all your hard work. And of course you work hard why wouldnt you deserve a little extra money? (i didnt read much of the details of the scandal but im surprised it wasnt worse)
Yes it definitely was a time for change in the Canadian government and if i were home i would have voted conservative (and told some left wing family to vote ndp) Just as it was time for mike harris to go here in ontario. The province simply couldnt support the unsustainable economic environment he created. Power needs checking and the advantage of democracy is that you have a way to do it.
But i do have one question for you Jayx1. Would you have acted the same way at the end of the Mulroney regime? Would you have started countless threads in these forums begging people to vote the conservative bums out? Except for a few bright spots (NAFTA being one of them) his government was an utter failure. Would you be in here preaching the same things if the harper government went through the same scandals. If not if you really can't say you would, you're just as much a puppet as the diehard liberal supporters. You suffer from the same vice they do. And it will happen too. There will be a scandal in the next conservative government (conservative people are people too and as with all people, power corrupts) just think about your reaction when it happens.
Those are my political beliefs. I really think partisan politics and the two party system has alot of dangers. People associate themelves with a party and follow it too far. It makes it too easy to blindfold people. Nowhere can this be seen more than in the United States. I see people cheering a party like it was a football team. I cringe i cringe so much. That attitude is so destructive for a country and creates an environment where people are so easily manipulated. Reading through the political debates forum and i just cant believe the things i read on there. People defending lies, deceits, vice and failings of politicians just because they are part of the party they cheer for.
My thoughts on Bush and Kerry. Bush has been an awful, awful president. There is no mistaking it. To know that you are smarter than a man leading 280 million people is scary. To have a man who invents words like misunderestimate and exemplarary, a man who believes that man and fish can coexist peacefully, a man who called the president of pakistan 'mushy', a man who thinks there ought to be limits to freedom, and a man who thought the canadian prime minister's name was Jean Poutine (to his defence though so did Al Gore) leading the most powerful country in the world is utterly frightening. This man is not fit to lead any country, any organization or any family. Everyone, even the most die hard conservatives will admit the real reason he is where he is. This man is retarded, and under no circumstances should be leading a country.
Americans, ask yourselves this: Why is my deficit at 500 billion dollars this year. Why has foreign hatred for my country never in its history been so strong. Well the reason is you voted for a man who thinks man and fish can coexist peacefully. And you know what you'll probably vote for him again, because you think its your god given right to own a gun and so does he. YYEEEE HAAAAAAWWWW God bless America!
Thats it im out for now.. /end rant. Wonder if anyone will read this. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by discojoe
But i do have one question for you Jayx1. Would you have acted the same way at the end of the Mulroney regime? Would you have started countless threads in these forums begging people to vote the conservative bums out? Except for a few bright spots (NAFTA being one of them) his government was an utter failure. Would you be in here preaching the same things if the harper government went through the same scandals. |
Yes i would. I even stated during the elections on this board that if Harper subjected us to the same BS as Paul Martin id call for his ouster just as vocally. But the way i saw it was this. Do we vote for the guy who might be a crook or vote for the guy who we already know is one. Sadly we voted for the guy we all know is a crook. |
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