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vinyls are lame....... (pg. 7)
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| Tranceguy1 |
“I think it is going to reinvent the role of the DJ and sort the men from the boys”, Sasha explained to the Independent.
More like its going to make it easier to mix because the computer can do it for you now (beat matching, fx, etc etc etc....)
Personally I think it takes way less talent to CD mix, and Vinyl sounds a hell of a lot better...nothing sounds as good as a slightly worn vinyl with a somewhat fuzzy crackle to it.
But thats just personal opinion...
Oh, and with CD mixers and computer mixers, how the hell do you even know if a DJ is mixing, or just standing there playing with the volume levels and bouncing around, acting as if he is doing something when he could just be playing a cd he made at home last weekend????? |
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| Cataclysmic |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tranceguy1
Oh, and with CD mixers and computer mixers, how the hell do you even know if a DJ is mixing, or just standing there playing with the volume levels and bouncing around, acting as if he is doing something when he could just be playing a cd he made at home last weekend?????
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BT has done this before, and it sounds great. I love seeing a live performance, however, I can still appreciate hard work on a nice sounding mix.
Cd mixing is a great new technology that can be used in conjunction with vinyl. To say one or the other is better or worse is rediculous. Who cares how the Dj makes the set sound incredible? the fact is, they are making good music for us.
I really don't understand why people get in such a huff over this subject. How can you say that Cd's don't sound as good as vinyl? If you're using a CD-R with high quality MP 3's (PURCHASED MP3's :whip: ), the sound is fine.
Let's give it a rest eh? CD's, Vinyl, Mp 3's, , who cares. If the beats sound good, that's all I care about |
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| Freak |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cataclysmic
How can you say that Cd's don't sound as good as vinyl?
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Technical fact. Pure unbroken waveform, not restricted by sample rate or bit rate. More information than any digital source will ever have. even if you had a sample rate on a cd of 300khz its still binary and not analogue.
Granted the differences are there but cds are still *good* -except mp3s which are utter balls.
| quote: | | Let's give it a rest eh? CD's, Vinyl, Mp 3's, , who cares. If the beats sound good, that's all I care about |
I totally agree with this however.
From a personal perspective i still swear by vinyl, even tho i have been using cds alongside vinyl in a professional capacity for some years now. Using CDs i find cold and boring. And they go wrong. Or the cd player has a fit or doesnt like the disc. Or theres a finger print on one etc etc
p.s
There is a god-knows-how-many-page thread on this in the dj booth section. |
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| Tranceguy1 |
| It all depends on what YOUR definistion of "sounds better" is. If you are talking digital perfection, then yes CD's are better because itsw a laser reading numbers, not a needle tracing over a groove on a vinyl pressing, which needs the needle, tonearm, deck, and pressing to be perfect. But if you are talking about the way a track sounds in terms of its "warmth" then I think analogue sounds a hell of a lot better than binary...it just has different tones that I feel add a lot to a tracks feel, where binary can sound almost too perfect and in some cases flat. |
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| colonelcrisp |
people are always loosing sight of the main points in digital vs vinyl.
first and foremost is sound quality. CD AND FINAL SCRATCH DO NOT PRODUCE BETTER SOUND QUALITY THAN VINYL. the reason is when you convert any signal you lose quality its basic laws of physics and you cant change it, with amazing gear you can minimize it but the fact remains that vinyl is an analog medium and speakers will forever be analog. look at stereo night club in montreal canada, it is said to have one of the most amazing soundsystems of any club in the country.... everything is analog old solid state amps, analog mixer and decks. converting digital signals to analoge clips the wave forms which removes the very high and low ends of the sound spectrum, that is why people say vinyl has better sound quality. yes it does have its pops and scratches and in some cases noise, but it has the full range of frequencys which sometimes are not present in digital formats due to loses in signal processing.
her throat cut? you have got to be the stupidest lamer i have ever seen on this forum, are you that naive that you belive every in article you read on the net? have you ever spun vinyl before?? compared to pro tools, final scratch, cdj's its alot harder to mix well on. any joe off the street can learn to beat match but to be able to do it flawlessly is why most of us keep spinning. ive done sets using pc dj, pro tools etc, thats not challenging. and as for cd, i do use the cdj's from time to time but i sitll like vinyl because of the feel and the manual control.
as for taking big name djs and assuming they think vinyl is lame is completely false. pvd uses his laptop so much cause he remixes every in track he plays iwth his kick and base line..... those tracks for the most part dont exist on vinyl. as for saying techno and other genres are more technical and musically complex with trance is a pandoras box of flames you dont want to open up in these forums. all forms of EDM are equally complex and advanced in their own rights. and alot of the top techno dj's still and will continue to use vinyl.... i saw dave the drummer and chris liebing this summer and they were bangin out on 3 decks simultaniously. mauro picotto is another big vinyl user.
all dj mediums have their pros and cons, by no stretch of the imagination can anyone prove any of the formats the best or the worst. i dont think you will ever see teh end of vinyl until they find a way to beam the music into our skulls since while speakers are still in use, vinyl is the only remaining analog way of playing EDM. it has that warm feeling that alot of dj's and many who you consider "the best in teh world" still continue to use.
this is just my opinion, but if your going to say something as stupid as vinyl is lame, try to come up with a more concrete and reaserched proof, and for gods sake use your own in opinions and dont just post links.... learn to make up your own mind |
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| Orange Project |
| quote: | Originally posted by nrjizer
Besides, unless I'm mistaken, vinyl is made of wax. |
No you moron vinyl is made of vinyl is a type of plastic. |
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| colonelcrisp |
| quote: | Originally posted by nrjizer
Besides, unless I'm mistaken, vinyl is made of wax. |
ya you are pretty in dumb...... cause you know aluminum foil isnt acutally aluminum.... its wax tooo!!!!!!! fetal alcohol syndrome is a major epidemic thse days..... !!
and technically vinyl is a synthetic polymerlike nylon, plastics are usually petroleum based (im pretty sure of this, any chemists want to correct me?)
records were origionally made of wax coated disks (not parafin wax but some kind of really hard wax) which is where the nick name came from. then they started using acetate, but that prooved to be too brittle (i still have bethoven's 9th on acetate records....) vinyl was brought in in the late 40's early 50's i belive, as it is more durable to breaking. although i think acetate is more scratch resistant because it is a harder material, vinyl is still more durable, acetate is rediculously easy to shatter. |
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| Orange Project |
| quote: | Originally posted by colonelcrisp
ya you are pretty in dumb...... cause you know aluminum foil isnt acutally aluminum.... its wax tooo!!!!!!! fetal alcohol syndrome is a major epidemic thse days..... !!
and technically vinyl is a synthetic polymerlike nylon, plastics are usually petroleum based (im pretty sure of this, any chemists want to correct me?)
records were origionally made of wax coated disks (not parafin wax but some kind of really hard wax) which is where the nick name came from. then they started using acetate, but that prooved to be too brittle (i still have bethoven's 9th on acetate records....) vinyl was brought in in the late 40's early 50's i belive, as it is more durable to breaking. although i think acetate is more scratch resistant because it is a harder material, vinyl is still more durable, acetate is rediculously easy to shatter. |
what he said |
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| Zayatz |
| Nope. You're Lame:) |
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| Cataclysmic |
Why are you so pissed off about this argument. You make great points about the sound that you can get from vinyl, and the benefits for using such. Using Cd's definitely has it's drawbacks, but like you said so do other mediums. It's really personal prefference for the Dj I think. New tools are making the EDM scene a lot more diverse, because Dj's can really create their own style, and make any track sound how they want it to. It's a lot harder to do that with Vinyl. I love both mediums, and when I can, I'll learn to use MP 3's as well. Take what we have, and use it to make the music sound good.
Check out IDJ this month for the article on Zabiela. It's a great article about how the art of DJ'ing is changing. In no way am I saying that CD's must be better because Zabiela likes them, but it's a great article that provides some perspective on why DJ's are starting to shift to the digital platform. |
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| Nite-Mer |
| Vinyl purist here. Play whatever you want, but I will keep playing vinyl and use a cd player only when I have to play an unreleased track. I don't care how good of a cd player you have, vinyl has way better feel. |
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| mike_stefan69 |
the level of ignorance in some of the posts is amazing
1.theoretically vinyl should always sound better than cds because there is no sampling. to be honest though, most people simply dont have an ear (or a sound system) thats good enough to make the differences obvious. if anything, the crackle/pops on vinyl can be really annoying.
2.cds are more practical than vinyl for a number of reasons:
a)you can copy cds so you can have back-ups. you cant do that with vinyl
b)you can (if youre good enough) do zabiela-style tricks such as looping, reversing etc. you have the alpha track feature which is pretty useful too. or you can just simply use them as you would use a record. you have a choice that you dont have when using vinyl.
c)as people have said, for a bedroom DJ to have their tune in the hands of DJs requires a cd burner which costs almost nothing these days. a vinyl cutter will set you back many thousands (of pounds/dollars/euros etc)
d)cds weigh nothing compared to vinyls
3.final scratch uses turntables and specially encoded discs together with a laptop. if you play the final scratch discs as you would play a normal vinyl theyll sound like a modem.
4.final scratch requires you to mix in the same way as you would mix with vinyl. the only difference is that its slightly easier since you can look at the waveform on the screen. but it doesnt make it easy to mix - im sure pvd uses his ear just as much as he did before he went to FS.
5.latops can break/stop working but they are getting better and better. the mac g5 for example is an awesome piece of kit. we havent heard of pvd's laptop crashing in the middle of the set have we? that doesnt mean to say it wont happen but i think the chance of it is very small. cds can skip, vinyls can scratch... these things can happen but you can reduce the chance if you look after your kit
6. this is mainly for her throat cut: go and see some DJs you ing moron. you dont have a clue. ive seen all kinds of DJs - final scratch (pvd), cd (sasha), vinyl (too many to mention). then youll get an idea of what DJing is about.
there is no right or wrong way. a lot has to do with convenience - carrying a lop top or some cds is a lot easier than carrying 100 vinyls. but like most people, i still love vinyl, the feel of it and have the utmost respect for someone who can mix just with vinyl. but technology is evolving and it would be a shame to halt progress for the sake of being sentimental.
i think vinyl is on its way out, but this is going to happen very slowly. in fact i can see it being used for at least another 8 years or so before vinyl becomes part of the minority (like final scratch is now). what sasha meant when he said that it sorts out the men from the boys was that every DJ is now able to put their own "stamp" on their performances. its not a case of just playing 2 records at the same speed, its a case of playing 2 records at the same speed whilst using a variety of other equipment to make the style your own, through the use of samples/loops/FX. |
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