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Question for the bush-bashers (pg. 4)
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Here's a little pop quiz for all of you: name five (5) of president Bush's policies that do not have to do with national defense (including Iraq, 9/11, or any other counterterrorism/security stuff). If you can do that without a google search, then perhaps you've got some intelligent points to make after all. |
That is quite unfair to say, cause that is really the main reason why people hate him! As someone stated earlier in this thread, we have nothing to do with what US's domestic policies are, but we have something to do with if they invade other countries etc.
But let me try anyway, don't think it will be that hard:
Bad economic policies - waaaay to big deficit
Anti gay marriage - everyone should have equal rights :rolleyes:
Anti abort - Women should be able to decide what to do, it's a right. and no it's not murder...
Lots of other crazy religious policies
Everytime you watch him speak, you feel kinda worried he will say something stupid, he is a really bad speaker. |
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| DigiNut |
Well I'd say that's pretty vague. I should clarify though - I don't necessarily mean 5 bad policies. Any policies at all will do. And they don't have to be domestic, they can be international, just not do do with 9/11 or Iraq (for example trade-related, U.N.-related, etc.). For those that make comments about the way he speaks, surely you must know a great deal about his policies if you have listened to him speak so much.
Mind you, after saying that I wonder how many people here could even name 5 of Paul Martin's policies in the Canadian government. :rolleyes: Everybody loves to have an opinion... |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
[FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=#99CCEE]And that is precisely what I've been talking about all along. I must have been asleep the day comments like this became the social norm.
If I had said the same thing about Clinton 4 years ago, people would have walked away. It has nothing to do with how right or wrong the comment is, it's just hateful, negative, and not something you say to people whom you aren't overly familiar with. |
When someone wants to sit and talk about politics,they should be ready to hear lots of opinions,if you cant take what the other side has to say perhaps you shouldnt get too involve in the whole conversation.Me personally will never back down,or will ever be scared to express my true feelings and thoughts toward America,and this president.They have caused sooo much pain in the world,that words cant describe it anymore.
| quote: | | Jay, I never said anything about relevance. Whether their emotions are well-founded is not the issue. The very first sentence I wrote in this thread was that I'm not here to debate that. Many things make us emotional, many things make us angry, but we do not go around mouthing off about them to anybody and everybody (or do we? Again, maybe I was asleep the day that became the social norm). It has nothing to do with how well they express themselves. |
Bush and his admin are a very important subject and they effect our lives in different ways,either directly or indirectly.Thats why everyone talks about them,and there is nothing wrong with people expresing their anger toward him. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
When someone wants to sit and talk about politics,they should be ready to hear lots of opinions |
That would indeed be the case IF one wants to sit and talk about politics. The main point of this thread is that in many instances I have expressed no desire to sit and talk about politics - they simply feel it is appropriate to "express" their opinions anyway.
As I said, with an appropriate amount on conversational foreplay such as "what do you think of the coming election" it would often be fine. But the attitude (and sadly, your attitude) seems to be that I *must* agree with any anti-Bush sentiment or else I'm an idiot, and that's why no lead-in is necessary for these topics.
I am not talking about constructive debate here. I've had constructive debates about Bush. Those aren't the ones I'm referring to. The ones I'm referring to are very hateful, emotionally charged, anti-intellectual, and intolerant. No "PC" person ( :rolleyes: ) would tolerate such unconditional hatred toward any other entity. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
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[COLOR=#EE99CC]Here's a little pop quiz for all of you: name five (5) of president Bush's policies that do not have to do with national defense (including Iraq, 9/11, or any other counterterrorism/security stuff). If you can do that without a google search, then perhaps you've got some intelligent points to make after all. |
- one of the biggest tax cuts in US modern history
- he took a huge surplus and managed to make it into a record deficit
- He opposes Kyoto but supports expanding NAFTA
- He's opposed to the creation of a United European Army (non-terrorism related)
- hundreds of thousands of jobs have been lost since he took office
- he supports a weak US dollar to try and boost foreign trade |
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| Your Mother |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
[COLOR=#EE99CC]Here's a little pop quiz for all of you: name five (5) of president Bush's policies that do not have to do with national defense (including Iraq, 9/11, or any other counterterrorism/security stuff). If you can do that without a google search, then perhaps you've got some intelligent points to make after all. |
They pretty much don't exist. He's done almost nothing after 9/11 thats domestically influenced.
5 that come to mind are: cut taxes (1), attempt to amend the constitution making it illegal to have gay marriages (2), Promote stem-cell research (3), Sign a bill issuing funding for Africa to help out the AIDS epidemic (money that never materialized) (4), Creating the faith-based initiative for helping families in proverty (or something like that).
The fact that this list took me 10 minutes to come up with is proof that the man has done nothing domestically and what he has attempted to do has failed miserably. And back to Bush bashing, can anyone remember how many times he was made to look like a fool in the first 9 months of his presidency? Reporters would catch him "off-guard" with basic questions on US foriegn policy or geography and he would things up big time. Anyone notice how after those 9 months it was damn near impossible to get close to him? Even the people under him knew letting Bush run wild would become a severe liability.
-Your Mother |
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| discojoe |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
Bad economic policies - waaaay to big deficit
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I think its over 500 billion this year. Half the GDP of Canada
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
Anti gay marriage - everyone should have equal rights :rolleyes:
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Agreed
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
Anti abort - Women should be able to decide what to do, it's a right. and no it's not murder...
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Wrong. it is murder, and just because an abortion doctor looking to make a profit conveniently tells you it isnt, doesnt make it so. Killing a child after it leaves the womb is murdering a child, killing a child when its in the womb is murdering a child a little less developed. Its not a man's choice to kill their child and its not a womans choice to kill their child.
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
Lots of other crazy religious policies
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meh who cares. i dont think hes been that bad. really though other than saying he goes to church on sunday, and claims god is on his side, how has he really, concretely brought religion into politics. Im just wondering.. i dont know.. he may very well have.
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
Everytime you watch him speak, you feel kinda worried he will say something stupid, he is a really bad speaker. |
I cant watch him speak unless he has a script. Hes so bad.. its hard on my nerves.
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
When someone wants to sit and talk about politics,they should be ready to hear lots of opinions,if you cant take what the other side has to say perhaps you shouldnt get too involve in the whole conversation. |
He just doesnt want to hear people cursing bush and being mean to him because it hurts his ears, he's PC or its not a social norm or something. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Mind you, after saying that I wonder how many people here could even name 5 of Paul Martin's policies in the Canadian government. :rolleyes: Everybody loves to have an opinion... |
Martin:
- does not support gay marriage (he has been well documented in past qoutes)
- supports entering missle defense shield with US (just like he made Harper look like a devil for it)...interestingly this will be the first vote held in parliament since the election.
- Is in talks with provinces to start up a national pharmacare program (as if the health care system isnt in enough trouble) can anyone say boondoggle round 20?
-said he wants to transfer some of the federal gas tax to municipalities but appears to be changing his mind (sounds like his provincial cousin McSquinty!)
- wants to enter trade negotiations to expand nafta into south america just like bush does. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Your Mother
And back to Bush bashing, can anyone remember how many times he was made to look like a fool in the first 9 months of his presidency? Reporters would catch him "off-guard" with basic questions on US foriegn policy or geography and he would things up big time. Anyone notice how after those 9 months it was damn near impossible to get close to him? Even the people under him knew letting Bush run wild would become a severe liability.
-Your Mother |
He is the only president with lowest amount of press confrences I think,and the ones that he does attend,are mostly set up,so that he wont look like an idiot.:p |
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| Jayx1 |
I have yet to see bush on tv post-911 NOT talking about America's need to rid the world of terrorism.
He's the ultimate wag the dog president. |
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| discojoe |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
- Is in talks with provinces to start up a national pharmacare program (as if the health care system isnt in enough trouble) can anyone say boondoggle round 20?
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Its very very hard to be a canadian politician and be opposed (as in publicly and vocally) to public health care. Theres just too many Canadians who want it. Not saying i agree with it, but i think public health care will be strong political impetus for a long time.
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
- wants to enter trade negotiations to expand nafta into south america just like bush does. |
Thats a good thing. For North America and South America |
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| The Highroller |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
b) He's an "ape" or a "monkey"
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