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Technical question about beatmatching
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| Dopey |
| Is there any hardware or software out there that automatically syncs the 2 songs you are spinning? I imagine it's possible, just wondering if its out there for sale. |
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| tranceDJ |
| Most DJ program will have an autosync function...the closest you're going to get with hardware is beat counters on mixers (most don't have them) but that still is only part of beatmatching. Then again, every DJ should be able to beatmatch without beatcounters or autosync...just takes practice. |
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| DannyO |
| As far as I'm aware there is no hardware that can do that, but you can buy BPM readers, as for software, there are things like AtomixMP3, but really your better off training your ears mate, you won't believe how much better your ears are at it that a crappy program. |
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| KiNeTiC ENeRgY |
| quote: | Originally posted by DannyO
As far as I'm aware there is no hardware that can do that, but you can buy BPM readers, as for software, there are things like AtomixMP3, but really your better off training your ears mate, you won't believe how much better your ears are at it that a crappy program. |
Couldn't of said it any better myself. |
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| Jarjar |
| quote: | Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY
Couldn't of said it any better myself. |
Me neither.
Most programs (probably all) can detect beats to a certain degree but still not make it synced as good as a human can. |
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| Dopey |
| seems to me that a computer would be able to be more precise than most humans. |
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| tu_face |
well you are wrong mate :)
a computer can only detect peaks over a certain dB level (this is exactly the way beat counters work) and things like a broken beat, very emphasised highs and breakdowns can throroughly confuse a computer.
the human head has its own built in metronome, its free, and the best one you can get, so use it :) |
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| Liam |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dopey
seems to me that a computer would be able to be more precise than most humans. |
computers would definitely be able to... its just that onone has written anything that works better than the human ear... yet.
i am convinced that a program could be written to mix without error. it could auto eq, insert tricks at calculated positions, mix various ways, depending on song structure and so on.
as sad as it is. just think of dragging say 20 mp3s into a playlist... have your software dj analyze the tracks and engineer a flawless, professional sounding set within moments.
its only a matter of time. |
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| tu_face |
| quote: | Originally posted by Liam
computers would definitely be able to... its just that onone has written anything that works better than the human ear... yet.
i am convinced that a program could be written to mix without error. it could auto eq, insert tricks at calculated positions, mix various ways, depending on song structure and so on.
as sad as it is. just think of dragging say 20 mp3s into a playlist... have your software dj analyze the tracks and engineer a flawless, professional sounding set within moments.
its only a matter of time. |
i doubt it would ever work as well as a human, to put together sets you need spontinuity. computers can only do what they are told, so unless there is a pre-programmed mix for every available conbination of tracks it won't work. |
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| Liam |
| quote: | Originally posted by tu_face
i doubt it would ever work as well as a human, to put together sets you need spontinuity. computers can only do what they are told, so unless there is a pre-programmed mix for every available conbination of tracks it won't work. |
What's spontinuity?
Think about it... When you plan or play out a set... your brain takes what it knows of the tracks, and based on certain criteria, determines the order of a set.
Why couldn't a computer emulate the same process? Why couldn't a computer analyze the wave form of a track and determine by the structure, key, bpm, and whatever else... what other tracks sound good when mixed with it?
You wouldn't need a pre-programmed mix for every combo because the software would analyze each track and know what mixes work with them.
If you think about it... the software could even beat juggle, scratch, loop vocal samples, etc.
The only limit would be creativity. Sure there are infinite ways of mixing music. But how creative is the average dj when playing the average set? A piece of software that can do 100 different tricks and mix tracks 300 different ways would have more up its sleeve than your average DJ, IMO.
I don’t think this software would be great for a party, unless there was some sort of crowd reaction registration module. It would have to compare people dancing on the dance floor with the tracks it plays and use that data to keep the crowd happy. I know it seems far fetched… but, I think its possible.
Not that I would ever want this to materialize. I enjoy djing and wouldn't want a piece of software out there that could do it better. |
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| AndskiSpeed |
| quote: | Originally posted by Liam
What's spontinuity?
Think about it... When you plan or play out a set... your brain takes what it knows of the tracks, and based on certain criteria, determines the order of a set.
Why couldn't a computer emulate the same process? Why couldn't a computer analyze the wave form of a track and determine by the structure, key, bpm, and whatever else... what other tracks sound good when mixed with it?
You wouldn't need a pre-programmed mix for every combo because the software would analyze each track and know what mixes work with them.
If you think about it... the software could even beat juggle, scratch, loop vocal samples, etc.
The only limit would be creativity. Sure there are infinite ways of mixing music. But how creative is the average dj when playing the average set? A piece of software that can do 100 different tricks and mix tracks 300 different ways would have more up its sleeve than your average DJ, IMO.
I don’t think this software would be great for a party, unless there was some sort of crowd reaction registration module. It would have to compare people dancing on the dance floor with the tracks it plays and use that data to keep the crowd happy. I know it seems far fetched… but, I think its possible.
Not that I would ever want this to materialize. I enjoy djing and wouldn't want a piece of software out there that could do it better. |
Because a computer doesnt have creativity that a human does? who wants to see a computer dj anyway? lol |
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| Ken_Allen |
| quote: | Originally posted by tu_face
well you are wrong mate :)
a computer can only detect peaks over a certain dB level (this is exactly the way beat counters work) and things like a broken beat, very emphasised highs and breakdowns can throroughly confuse a computer.
the human head has its own built in metronome, its free, and the best one you can get, so use it :) |
Ever heard of Seti@Home...that searches for alien signals, and finds sounds 1000x what the human ear can sense. :tongue2 |
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