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Trance 4Some : PvD/Tiesto/Ferry/Armin -Whos been the most versatile and consistant ? (pg. 3)
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| NinetyNinety |
PvD
Armin
Ferry
Tiësto
...nuff said. ;) |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by Laushinameee
the least creative versus armin / ferry /tiesto? oh please :rolleyes: like i said, i reckon youve only been into electronic music for a short time. |
I reckon you don't know how to respect another person's opinion and tastes.
Mr. Mystery obviously enjoys something you don't. So shut up and quit arguing about it. |
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| torontotrance |
| well I'll jump to her defence here. She is outspoken but she certainly knows her stuff in terms of music. The way that she expresses it may piss people off but she is no dummy. I tend to agree with her on her opinions here. |
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| N-Tys |
My Personal opinion is Ferry no doubt.
and armin is also a champ i like his style
Ferry
armin
pvd
tiesto |
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| dj tek |
| quote: | Originally posted by torontotrance
She is outspoken but she certainly knows her stuff in terms of music. |
yeah knows her stuff in terms of pvd.. :o
and to answer my own question, the artsist that's been the most versatile and consistant with solid productions would have to be a toss up between tiesto & ferry.. yes, pvd worked with bt, tilt, scored a film etc.. but i dont think his style varies all that much.. he's been using the typical pvd elements for 10yrs... i mean, like 5yrs ago it was awesome but now he needs to find more sounds and reachout towards different directions.. ferry & tiesto on the other hand has way more range in terms of using different sounds but still can tell that its them.. look at the diversity...:
Tiesto productions/remixes
Theme From Norefjell
Sparkles
L'esperanza
Shinning
Silence
Flesh
Flight 643
Lethal Industry
Suburban Train
Traffic
Adagio For Strings
Ferry productions/remixes
Out of the blue
Insolation
Barber's Adagio For Strings
Madagascar
In The Beginning
Pocket Damage
Needlejuice
Punk
Right Of Way
New Years Day
Sweetest Dreams
you can see the diversity in their style of producing trance music. they cover a wide range and doesnt stick to one sound, for that i give them props for bringing different appraches to this form of music we all love. |
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| tranceaholic |
| quote: | Originally posted by Laushinameee
as convincing an argument as you? You talked about people crying when PvD played for an angel :haha: nice one, I rate PvD, but thats just plain dumb. Like i said, youre an obvious one minute wonder, Im not a 30 year old clubber, im only just older than you, but the difference is i have half a clue and you dont. Ive backed up what i said - Paul van Dyk is more diverse as an artist, even if you dont like him this is a simple fact, hes scored a film, have ferry, armin, tiesto done that? no |
so what? oakenfold scored a film..atleast oakenfold scored a film that people saw..and we are not discussing accomplishments here cause if we are oakie i think accomplished the most, hell tiesto even accomplished more..olympics,concerts,#1 dj etc etc...but we r not talking most accomplishments...honestly production wise the Only tracks i like from pvd are for an angel,another way and crush thats it... |
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| SYSTEM-J |
Who gives a how many good tracks they've done, if they all sound the same? You stupid pricks are going all fanboy without even reading the question.
In terms of creativity and versatility Paul van Dyk is piss-poor. Sure, ten years ago what he was doing was fresh. But after ten years of the same thing, it's growing tired. PVD is the least creative and versatile producer out of those. Not saying he's a bad producer, but not an original one.
Tiesto has made a pretty good move from epic trance to techier trance, the difference between his old and new is noticable. He's also quite creative when it comes to his tracks, there is a fair bit of variation in there.
Ferry Corsten is probably the most versatile and creative, he's gone from producing happy hardcore, to defining epic trance, and now onto blending genres into a whole new thing. And it's worked every time.
Laushinameee: you're a ing idiot. Stating what is obviously opinion as fact is idiotic beyond belief, and assuming (and getting it totally wrong) that people are new to the genre because they disagree with you... what the ? You're the most piss-poor arguer I've seen in a long time, and there are a fair share of idiots on the internet, I can tell you. |
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| dj tek |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Laushinameee: you're a ing idiot. Stating what is obviously opinion as fact is idiotic beyond belief, and assuming (and getting it totally wrong) that people are new to the genre because they disagree with you... what the ? You're the most piss-poor arguer I've seen in a long time, and there are a fair share of idiots on the internet, I can tell you. |
its ok.. youre going off on someone who thinks 'Avenue' aint a trance production.:nervous: :stongue: |
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| ted_baker |
| System - J. *clap, clap, clap, clap* |
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| DjSimonB |
These 4 are some of the most inconsistent producers around in my tastes, even if they're the 4 biggest names in trance.
I guess I'd say Tiesto, even though I hate some of his tracks/remixes, or just think they're really average/overrated, he's made a decent list of really good productions, like a lot of the In My Memory album for example.
PvD's best work in the last few years has sadly been his unreleased remixes that he plays in his livesets, his recent productions under his own name haven't done anything for me at all, and I've yet to hear TPOD (that might invalidate my opinion slightly, but hey, who gives a damn.)
Ferry... I liked Adagio for Strings, Gouryella, Out Of The Blue, Indigo some of Right Of Way, but for the same reason as Tiesto (but with less good productions) I'd call him inconsistent.
Armin has also made tracks I love, like Sunburn and The Sound Of Goodbye. And Communication and Blue Fear were alright tracks, but that's about all. |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
In terms of creativity and versatility Paul van Dyk is piss-poor. Sure, ten years ago what he was doing was fresh. But after ten years of the same thing, it's growing tired. PVD is the least creative and versatile producer out of those. Not saying he's a bad producer, but not an original one.
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Sorry, but that's just not true. If you just bother to look past For An Angel, Flaming June, Words, Tell Me Why, Crush or TooL, there's plenty of experimental attitude to be found in PvDs back catalogue. To name some:
DFM - You Like That?! (Slap 'n Tickle Remix) <- funked up hybrid between house and techno, 100% dancefloor orientated
Paul van Dyk - Today (Trance-Ambient Mix) <- a succesful attempt at splicing Paul's melodic sensibilities with more downtempo grooves
all Visions Of Shiva tracks, which helped to blueprint trance as we know it
Paul van Dyk - Out There <- rock hard, banging trancer, a sharp contrast to the overall feel of OTAB
BT - Blue Skies (PvD's Blauer Himmel Remix)<- takes away almost all of Pauls usual synthwork and relies on 303 and beat programming instead
Paul van Dyk - Like A Friend (Paul van Dyk Remix) <- a sparse, percussion driven track to give Jan Johnston's vox as much room as possible
etc. etc. I do however agree that lately his productions seemed to have a rather half-baked feel to them, and the mainstream flirtations he decided to try out on Reflections while being something new were not exactly what I hoped he was gonna try out for his next artist album, nor did they work in my ears. That being said, his soundtrack to Zurdo is vastly underrated, as it contains some of his best tracks to date, as well as some solid downtempo experiments to provide variation ("Zurdo In Love" comes to mind).
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Tiesto has made a pretty good move from epic trance to techier trance, the difference between his old and new is noticable. He's also quite creative when it comes to his tracks, there is a fair bit of variation in there.
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Have to agree here, Tiesto's will to experiment despite his popstar status and general lazyness in almost every musical department of his career never ceases to impress me. Despite the rather sloppy production, Traffic was pure dancefloor madness, as well as Flight 643. His remixes of Hampshire & Nysse and Cirque de Soleil show that he doesn't have any intentions to quit experimenting either. That Just Be was a very poor effort in my ears will have to be another debate.
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Ferry Corsten is probably the most versatile and creative, he's gone from producing happy hardcore, to defining epic trance, and now onto blending genres into a whole new thing. And it's worked every time.
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It's good that Ferry FINALLY tried something else after beating the same old epic trance horse for so many years. Had he not done that his production career would probably have gone straight down the drain. Tracks like Needlejuice, Mode Confusion and Punk hinted at what was to come later, and while opinion certainly is split regarding his electro experiments, it shows that Ferry isn't scared to try out new stuff regardless of how succesful his epic trance-formula has gotten.
So who ends up being the winner? Hard to tell. While Paul definitely has been the less creative and consistant producer of the three recently, Ferry and Tiesto did not deliver as varied and consistant as Paul did in the 90s. (I'm excluding Tiesto's Bonzai Jumps/hardcore/gabber period, since he doesn't even acknowledge the music he made back then himself any longer)
I also have to mention that neither Ferry nor Tiesto have managed to establish contemporary artist profiles for themselves as well as Paul has. Scoring Zurdo, collaborating with St.Etienne, DJ Tomekk, BT and Peter Heppner, running his own monthly clubnight where he consistantly pushes the progressive/trance sound to the german techno dominated clubscene, doing post WW2 debates, headlining the Rock The Vote-campaign etc. etc. all gives Paul the upper hand compared to the other two when it comes to establishing themselves as contemporary artists, despite Tiesto's popstar status, his collab with Kane and his Olympic Games performance. |
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| Falcon-X |
Ferry by far.
He can build a whole set with his own amazing productions and keep it going intense the whole night.
I've never really liked anything by PVD it just dosent get me going at all. not terrible but nothing exciting. |
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