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City of Toronto muses banning smoking on outdoor patios
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| Jayx1 |
I knew this day was coming. It's the next step down the slippery slope. Enjoy your smoking law!!
| quote: | You may not be able to fight City Hall, but you can at least finds loopholes around it. That seems to be the logic some Toronto bar owners are following, as the colder temperatures of fall lead them to heat up attempts to cater to smokers.
Under the city’s non-smoking bylaw, patrons who want to pursue their habits have to go outside. That was fine in the summer. But many merchants fear smoking pub patrons will take their business to warm places once the big chill of winter kicks in.
So they’ve begun sealing off part of their open air patios, and heating them with wood stoves or other energy sources, to keep the customers satisfied.
How are they getting away with it? One end of the patio is kept open. “We're adhering to the rules,” maintains manager John Holland. “We're keeping this wall open. According to the law, we have to keep one side of the patio open, but this allows us to work with everybody.”
It’s no surprise smokers like the idea. “I don't 100 percent agree with the bylaw that was instituted or the way it was instituted,” opines Sylvia Frank. “So this is, you know, the best we could do at the moment to try and sort of alleviate the discomfort that smokers are suffering.”
But Board of Health chair John Filion isn’t amused by the creative solution. “If for any reason somebody has found a loophole, then we'll close the loophole,” he vows. “And if people keep doing this sort of thing against the spirit of the bylaw, we may have to disallow the patios entirely.”
Filion plans to bring the issue to the next Board meeting, which could leave pub owners – and their would-be customers – out in the cold this winter.
October 5, 2004
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| Orko |
haha, this is too funny. If smokers want to smoke outside on the patio, then fine, do it! Just as long as they arent smoking inside, im happy.
If they wanna battle the cold of winter for their habits, then so be it.
on the other hand, i hate walking out of office buildings or bars/clubs and being hit by a wall of smoke. But, im not going to complain. the smoke is outside where it will diffuse into the atmoshphere and not my lungs. |
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| Jayx1 |
but they are banning smoking outside if this happens. Its not funny. Tell me, someone who makes their living in the entertainment industry that this is funny. I'm not laughing. The true effects of this law will now be felt with winter fast approaching and now they want to make it even more difficult.
I wont be laughing when i dont have a job |
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| Skipper |
| I'm currently enjoying the smoking ban very much, thank you. |
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| Jayx1 |
| well u wont be when there are no clientele to play to ;) |
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| amb_ |
Yeah, I hate walking down the street and breathing in those diesel fumes from the TTC buses going by.
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
haha, this is too funny. If smokers want to smoke outside on the patio, then fine, do it! Just as long as they arent smoking inside, im happy.
If they wanna battle the cold of winter for their habits, then so be it.
on the other hand, i hate walking out of office buildings or bars/clubs and being hit by a wall of smoke. But, im not going to complain. the smoke is outside where it will diffuse into the atmoshphere and not my lungs. |
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| Jayx1 |
| exactly... and the same people that bitch about tobacco smoke are usually the first ones to admit their chronic weed habit.. |
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| Skipper |
This article isn't really even worth posting. Someone said that if bars are going around the bylaw on their patios, then the city will step in. So what?
The whole idea of the bylaw is to protect patrons and staff from second hand smoke. If a patio is 75% closed shut, then it's essentially creating an indoor environment where smoking is banned.
It's really not that difficult to see the logic here. |
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| Jayx1 |
aaaah well u see here is the logic... if you dont like smoke, DONT GO TO THAT SECTION!
Simple...
These weasels are going to try and use this as a way to ban smoking on all outdoor patios... he even said it himself |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
aaaah well u see here is the logic... if you dont like smoke, DONT GO TO THAT SECTION!
Simple...
These weasels are going to try and use this as a way to ban smoking on all outdoor patios... he even said it himself |
this argument has been done over and over again.
your right to smoke does not triumph my right to clean air in a confined, indoor environment. end of story |
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| Jayx1 |
| we are talking about the outdoors now thank you very much |
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| TranceXtasy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
I'm currently enjoying the smoking ban very much, thank you. |
I second that!!! I absolutely hated getting back home after a night of clubbing reeking of smoke. I find that people still smoke indoors in large venues like the Guv., but its not nearly as prevalent as it used to be in the past. |
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