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Who do you think is America's greatest ally? UK or Israel? (pg. 2)
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| malek |
| actually Kerry is more pro-israel than Bush... sadly. |
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| smokeape |
Brits over Jews.
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
actually Kerry is more pro-israel than Bush... sadly. |
jewish people traditionally vote democrat no matter what...bout 10% will vote republican and 60% vote Democrat, the rest vote either way depending on certain issues...(where issue = Israel!!) |
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| DaveSZ |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
actually Kerry is more pro-israel than Bush... sadly. |
The simple answer is that both Bush and Kerry are pro-Israel, but in different ways.
Kerry is pro-Israel in part because his constituency demands that he be pro-Israel (~70% of the Jewish vote is Democratic).
I assume that it's also a fundamental belief of his that Israel is an important US ally.
Bush's pro-Israel views are much more scary imo, and are borne out of his fundamentalist beliefs ("The Rapture" to be specific).
Because Bush is in a position to act out his mystical beliefs through the US military industrial complex, he may believe that it's his duty to help bring upon the rapture by initiating war in the Mid-East (and a harsh policy towards the Palestinians since they stand in the way of Israel's "Biblical lands").
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/s...1195568,00.html
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Their beliefs are bonkers, but they are at the heart of power
US Christian fundamentalists are driving Bush's Middle East policy
George Monbiot
Tuesday April 20, 2004
The Guardian
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In the United States, several million people have succumbed to an extraordinary delusion. In the 19th century, two immigrant preachers cobbled together a series of unrelated passages from the Bible to create what appears to be a consistent narrative: Jesus will return to Earth when certain preconditions have been met. The first of these was the establishment of a state of Israel. The next involves Israel's occupation of the rest of its "biblical lands" (most of the Middle East), and the rebuilding of the Third Temple on the site now occupied by the Dome of the Rock and al-Aqsa mosques. The legions of the antichrist will then be deployed against Israel, and their war will lead to a final showdown in the valley of Armageddon. The Jews will either burn or convert to Christianity, and the Messiah will return to Earth.
What makes the story so appealing to Christian fundamentalists is that before the big battle begins, all "true believers" (ie those who believe what they believe) will be lifted out of their clothes and wafted up to heaven during an event called the Rapture. Not only do the worthy get to sit at the right hand of God, but they will be able to watch, from the best seats, their political and religious opponents being devoured by boils, sores, locusts and frogs, during the seven years of Tribulation which follow.
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| tecnolover |
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/s...1195568,00.html
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This is hilarious! But at the same time it's very sad. This writer of this article is clueless. He doesn't even have the order of events right! Any christian who reads this article is laughing his head off because it's obvious this guy know absolutely nothing about "the rapture' at all including what it means and the time frame. Ihope you all will not listen to others who feed you seeds of confusion.
Please read the bible yourself and research. |
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| DaveSZ |
I couldn't agree more.
Here is the lowdown though straight from one man's Dallas area garage (to clear up any misunderstandings we may have):
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004...ain598218.shtml
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The “Left Behind” sagas begin with a mysterious event: one third of the passengers on a transatlantic flight suddenly disappear, leaving only their clothes behind.
What has happened? It’s an event that evangelicals call the Rapture, where every true-believing Christian, and every child under the age of 12, vanishes in an instant to a better place. All others will face the Tribulation.
“It could happen at any moment. It could happen, as we like to say, during this interview. Like that. Bang,” says Thomas Ice, who might be called a professor emeritus of the Rapture. He runs the Pre-Tribulation Research Center out of his garage in a Dallas suburb. It’s a one-man think-tank funded by LaHaye and dedicated to preparation for the last days on earth.
“There is a lot of debate over where … artificial body parts, and contact lenses, and clothes would be “Left Behind” or not. But the body would definitely be taken,” adds Ice.
That's what happens to believers. But the rest of humanity is condemned to suffering.
“That's what the Bible teaches. There are gonna be many Southern Baptists, for example, or many Presbyterians, or many Catholics, or people who are a part of Christendom,” says Ice. “But if they haven't personally trusted Jesus Christ as their savior, even if they … a lifelong member of a church, you know, then they will be damned.”
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At the Watermark Community Church in Dallas, Rev. Todd Wagner tells his flock that the books may be fiction, but they are based on hard facts. Non-believers are doomed.
Safer asked Wagner who would be “Left Behind”: “What would be my fate?”
“Folks like yourself that are gonna be here, are gonna go through all the events that Christ outlined in Mark:13 and Matthew:24 -- some of which are quite horrific,” says Wagner. “It would be the time of trouble like we’ve never seen before.”
For evangelicals, the Rapture and what follows are factual history, history of the future, prophecy.
“It’s not a minority view, it's not a group of folks that are niched somewhere over there. It's a very mainstream view,” says Wagner.
It’s such a concrete reality that the publishers of the “Left Behind” books can even market a videotape for those who don't make the celestial cut.
People who believe in the Rapture believe the Bible -- word for literal word.
“The Bible says what it means, and means what it says,” says Don McWhinney, an oil executive from Dallas.
60 Minutes discussed the “Left Behind” books with him and three other evangelicals. And for these readers, the characters in these novels are quite real.
“Will they just take the body and leave the clothes? Watches, and rings, and fillings? Will the whole body be taken? I don't know,” says McWhinney. “But all I know is that God is in control of it. And I have to accept that and believe it. Or I begin to reject it, then it begins to work on my faith in the wrong direction … It would lead to doubt. Doubt is not even an option.”
All four evangelical Christians, however, agree that they feel confident that they won’t be “Left Behind”. |
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/5939999?rnd=1090028394515&has-player=true&version=6.0.10.505& |
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| Dervish |
| Ohh no please don't let me be "left behind"..... |
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| Dervish |
I just love this in the top "indexes"....
1. False Christs ok pehaps that would have a bearing on when god desides to do stuff
2. Occult same again
3. Satanism getting a theme here... but it fits
ok so good so far....
4. Unemployment what effect exactly would this have? "Nothing else to do during the day since your unemployed god?" "Why not..... I know this sounds crazy have a Rapture."
5. Inflation come on god think about how much this is gonna cost you better watch that inflation rate to do it in the best fiscal postion.
6. Interest Rates they are important in all biblical events of course gotta monitor them.... |
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| .montecarlo. |
you should check out their forums...
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| stren |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
"You forgot Poland!" |
Exacly :haha: |
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| George Smiley |
Well, interesting results...
The overwhelming majority of Americans think the UK is their best ally, while every Israeli considers themselves to be America's greatest ally! I just wonder how how they consider Israel helping America more than the UK?!?!?!?!?
Answers on a postcard please!!! |
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