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Now they want to ban smoking in cars???? (pg. 4)
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| Cal |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Right... the old "think of the children!!" arguement. I guess kids trump any and all rights to private property rights? Smoking is a legal thing to do and DOES NOT AFFECT DRIVING CAPABILITY.
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Holy dude! I thought there was only one retard on TOTA, namely diabolic, but you sir have proven me wrong. |
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| Jayx1 |
well we will obviously never agree mark but we do agree on the fact that opinions are just opinions. No one person is right or wrong.
I do have to mention that you mention minimal regulation. Our society has far surpassed any form of minimal regulation. It's out of control now. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cal
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Holy dude! I thought there was only one retard on TOTA, namely diabolic, but you sir have proven me wrong. |
Right, because your opinion differs from mine, im a retard....
move along... |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by DavusmaximuS
You don't let strangers into your car, the people that ride in your car choose to be there. If they don't want to inhale smoke well then the ingrates they can walk. |
Ah but that's the key to the whole debate right there.
If it were people that chose to be in your car, then this law would be utterly groundless. But since we're talking about children who really have no say in the matter, it's another story... |
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| Jayx1 |
kids shouldnt have say in anything their parents do.
This is why parents are parents and kids are kids.
If parents choose to smoke around their kids or choose to spank them society should mind its own business.
If i ever have kids they will live in fear of the strap. Kids are beyond spoiled today thanks to all these parents who are wannabe best friends with their kids. |
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| MarkT |
^^^ yikes. while parenting should generally be left to parents...kids are not "property"...they have rights too. Rights change over time as we evolve as a society. I still like using the example of "the right to vote" once being restricted to whites...white males at that.
So we've come to recognize, in North America for example, that certain rights once held only by white men have been extended to women and people of all ethnicities...so why can't children's rights evolve too? We've seen it fit to implement child labour laws over the years, for example.
So a child should have no influence over their parent's behaviour, you say. Well, what about when that behaviour is directly detremental to the well being of that child? We see fit to not allow parents to overtly beat their children...or deprive them of food, clothing and shelter...to restrict them from basic education...etc. So the very fact that a child EXISTS influences a parent's behaviour.
So regardless of one's stance on this "smoking in the car with kids" thing...I think it's somewhat short sighted to say that kids ought to have no say in the actions of their parents.
Maybe it's time some parents stop seeing their kids as property... |
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| Jayx1 |
kids arent property but its the role of the authority (the parent) to have control over their children. Without structured authority kids will do as they choose and never learn respect or discipline which is exactly what is happening today.
25 years of praising the child instead of punishing them and 30 years without the strap in the principals office has resulted in girls who look like hookers by the time they are 11 and 7 year olds with worse potty mouths than an english seaman.
Kids rights? They have the right to do as they are told. They have the right to be free of abuse and they have the right to respect their authority. |
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| MarkT |
| I'd argue that the indifference of today's parents and their lack of involvement in the lives of their children has contributed far more harm than years of praising the child. |
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| Jayx1 |
when i say praising the child i mean:
Trying not to counteract a negative action with a negative reaction. Instead all i see is sweet talking. "you dont want to do that sweetie, its not nice".
What kids need most of the time is "YOU DO THAT AGAIN AND YOU ARE GROUNDED FOR A WEEK". Not to mention a fear of gettting the strap if they do something major.
Lack of involvement is also a big part of it there is no denying that. But kids disrespect their parents as well and that has to do with the fact that the parents dont discipline their child into respecting them. Instead you have mothers sharing clothes with daughters for example and trying to be their best friends. |
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| RobbyG. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
my point is that right or wrong they are REGULATING YOUR PERSONAL SPACE and that sets a dangerous precident. |
Bang on Jayx1...I am also a non-smoker and anyone smoking in a car with a kid in the back should be shot BUT when the government starts to regulate your space well then get ready for "BIG BROTHER" x 2:nervous: |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by RobbyG.
Bang on Jayx1...I am also a non-smoker and anyone smoking in a car with a kid in the back should be shot BUT when the government starts to regulate your space well then get ready for "BIG BROTHER" x 2:nervous: |
well some people get it.... |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
...Instead you have mothers sharing clothes with daughters for example and trying to be their best friends. |
if only all parents would do that...and balance it with non-violent discipline. Isn't it harder for kids to disrespect someone they actually LIKE?
kids aren't stupid...they don't respond to heavy handed tactics anymore, IMHO. If a parent can't figure out how to have their kids respect them as authority figures without the neanderthalish "might makes right" they'll be effective for as long as their kids are 1. smaller than them, and 2. while their kids are within reach. ;) |
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