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Whats the best manner to build a tracklist for a set or an album"? (pg. 2)
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| Laushinameee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sand Leaper
I see your point, however, I fail to see how me closing a set with Visions Of Shiva - How Much Can You Take would be like "starting with the standard 2/3 prog tracks then bang out tiesto tracks". |
obviously it depends on the indivdual case, some people just have better taste in music than others. People saying 'can i finish on a classic' immediately brings to mind e armin style rubbish, not good things like that. :haha: |
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| Dave Piazza |
The primary role one undertakes as a DJ is to push a certain unique sound of music forward. As a result song selection is vital.
Programming than becomes a response and extension of ones artistic abilities to select songs. Thus one can not master programming until he/she masters song selection vice versa.
Programming will be dependent upon the song selection. Programming is not a formula but rather a story. Stories vary in the message or theme they bring forth. Thus the DJ has the important role of becoming an author of music through his song selection and placement. Songs become the words to this story created by the dj. The songs will give cue to their place in the 'storyline'.
The programing of what one chooses to play first,second, last, ect. affects the storyline. The more important question to ask oneself is whether a song placed at a particualr spot in the mix is congruent with the narration of story you are hoping to convey to the audience.
Understanding these principle of song selection and story telling create the true artistic DJ. |
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| flavdave |
| quote: | Originally posted by Laushinameee
ending on a classic is really passe and predictable - i suggest not doing this |
The reason I do this is because 1) I don't have too many records, especially ones that would be good set ending records that aren't already considered classics, and 2) because I feel like it. Not everyone is out to shake-up the industry. I DJ because I enjoy it, and currently I have no aspirations to ever gain residency, tour, etc.
The college radio station where I spin is located in southwest Virginia, not exactly the hot bed of the electronic scene. People aren't tuning in to hear the next Sasha, PvD, AvB, Tiesto, Zabiela, and the like. In fact, few people here have heard of them. I can honestly say I don't play tracks because those DJs play them, I play them because I enjoy them myself. My goal is first of all to have fun, and secondly to expose people to this sound.
If you noticed in my reply to the original poster, I said I like to do this and I like to do that, rather than say "you need to do this" or "you should do that." When I DJ I do what I'm comfortable doing and what makes me enjoy it. If you think starting slow, building up, and ending on a classic is passe, then so be it. |
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| vswede |
| quote: | Originally posted by Floorfiller
just play a bunch of good that mixes well and flows nicely...there is no equation of genres that make a set of cd good..you should just play what goes good together. i suppose most people like to start out less energetic and work up to something, but i dunno...i say just pic a great intro track and let it loose from there... |
hahah yea! pretty nice summarized. pick a nice intro (mark norman - overkill (intro mix)) hehe. nah do what u think is good! |
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| Ste |
| haha, 30 seconds for beatmatching? u having a laugh, 50 secs minimum but usually 1:30 |
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| FirstBorn |
I'm with Laushinameee on this one. Just play tracks you love, in the order you think might sound good. If you end up trying to copy somebody or conform to a particular style, you're going to sound like an carbon copy of someone else.
If you're playing records just for fun, just play what you like. If you want to try to be a successful DJ and progress beyond your bedroom, concentrate on building your own sound and structure. IMHO, the world needs more individual DJ's and not more [insert famous DJ name here] ripoffs.
Oh, and why not 30 seconds for beatmatching? You'll want to vary it a fair amount (otherwise you'll sound like a machine) but there doesn't have to be a prescribed period of time to mix two records together. Sometimes a 30 second mix with tons of impact works; on other occasions, a beautiful 2 minute blend can be preferable. Find out what works for you and the tunes you play.
Just my 2p worth, mind. ;) |
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| DjSimonB |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ste
haha, 30 seconds for beatmatching? |
Yeah, I guess every DJ has his own style, but I could never do a 30 second beatmix, I like mine around the 2 minute mark, or longer if the tunes permit :p |
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| trak_one |
| quote: | Originally posted by Laushinameee
stop thinking about things like this too much is my advice. if You are thinking about it & asking questions then you arent really on the right track. Do whatever you like, not what people tell you in here, apart from me obviously. Just forget all these stupid 'rules', unless you want to be yet another wannabe trance dj like most of the others caught up in all the nonsense like this. |
I think you're absolutely right on this one. Music must be about feelings and that is all. |
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| Dave Piazza |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ste
haha, 30 seconds for beatmatching? u having a laugh, 50 secs minimum but usually 1:30 |
the mix depends on the track. some tunes require a long blend whilst others require a quick cut.
Again there is no standard but rather what you feel sounds right.
But I can not stress the importance of song selection.
Let me repeat this again:
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The primary role one undertakes as a DJ is to push a certain unique sound of music forward. As a result song selection is vital.
Programming than becomes a response and extension of ones artistic abilities to select songs. Thus one can not master programming until he/she masters song selection vice versa.
Programming will be dependent upon the song selection. Programming is not a formula but rather a story. Stories vary in the message or theme they bring forth. Thus the DJ has the important role of becoming an author of music through his song selection and placement. Songs become the words to this story created by the dj. The songs will give cue to their place in the 'storyline'.
The programing of what one chooses to play first,second, last, ect. affects the storyline. The more important question to ask oneself is whether a song placed at a particualr spot in the mix is congruent with the narration of story you are hoping to convey to the audience.
Understanding these principle of song selection and story telling create the true artistic DJ.
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| starglider |
| As far as the ending on a classic goes, I don't mind it, but I think a slightly less cliched way to end a set is to play an anthem as your penultimate track and then end with something banging. Tiesto often did this, the best example was a set he did a few years ago where he played mostly up-front tunes before ending with The Sound Of Nature and then DJ Montana - The Bridge In The Park. It worked well. |
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| TheVrk |
imo, u gotta FEEL what your gonna spin,
let the energy of the track/feeling
take you further:D |
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| PlasticSoul |
I ve read all posts...
thanks all, I saved this thread on my disk hehe...
One question I have yet is about the mix between tracks, for example, there are sets where the dj stop the song and start other, I mean, no mix: only stop-one-play-other...
Does it happens when things go wrong (I remembered the Airwave song now hehe) or stop-play is good? it turns off the dj feeling for some seconds uh?
What is better"? trainwreck for seconds or the stop-play stuff?
:wtf: |
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