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| phonk64 |
| quote: | Originally posted by RzO
Well politics is the study of power, by definition......so who wins does actually matter |
There is something that I'd actually agree with you on, and who wins does matter. I just find it in the intense disinterest of the public good to vote that way. Otherwise, nothing will change, ever. |
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| Vero |
| quote: | Originally posted by RzO
really?....so Bush/Cheney ticket... |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vero
i dont know who im voting for yet, but i know 3 things:
1. i am DEFINITLY not voting for Bush
2. Kerry is too much of an idot to be president
3. I will vote
so as you can conclude i will be voting for one of the underdogs who has no chance of getting elected, and i do not feel like i am wasting my vote. my hope is more and more people will vote and not for either republican or democrat, and maybe a few years from now we will have a real choice instead of two idots and we have to choose the lesser of two evils. |
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| RzO |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vero
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no doubt...didn't see that post....as long as you make an informed vote...that's what matters |
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| Vero |
| quote: | Originally posted by RzO
no doubt...didn't see that post....as long as you make an informed vote...that's what matters |
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| RzO |
| quote: | Originally posted by phonk64
There is something that I'd actually agree with you on, and who wins does matter. I just find it in the intense disinterest of the public good to vote that way. Otherwise, nothing will change, ever. |
I am glad we are thinking alike now....the nothing will change part is absolutely true...America's electoral system is an institution in itself, to change any part of it would consist of changing the whole institution itself, which won't happen soon...i respect your knowledge on the subject though...i obviously believe that people can agree to disagree on this info...there is alot to know about it though as i can see you are up on it as well... |
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| phonk64 |
| quote: | Originally posted by RzO
no doubt...didn't see that post....as long as you make an informed vote...that's what matters |
But i thought all you did was vote for who's the most powerful??? |
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| RzO |
| quote: | Originally posted by phonk64
But i thought all you did was vote for who's the most powerful??? |
well i vote Democrat...whether we win or not...that is how I will always vote |
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| Arbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by phonk64
1) The Founding Fathers made election day a Tuesday for a reason. They wanted election day to be INCONVENIENT. That means you have to go out of your way to vote. This keeps morons and people who care more about their jobs away from the polls, thus creating a more stable democracy (even thought the US is a republic). Every political scientist knows that the downfall to any democratic system is an uneducated, voting populace. |
Actually they wanted it to be convenient. You have to remember that back in those days it's not as if people were working 9-5 weekdays, most people were farmers, and it's not as if they had cars either.
The real reason it is on a Tuesday is to give time for people to travel into town to vote since, when the day was decided, there was still only one polling location in each county. For many rural Americans in the late 18th century, this meant leaving a day before the actual day of the election - on Monday. They didn't want elections on Monday because people would have to leave Sunday which would be inconvenient to many of the religious types.
November as a chosen month was also selected to cater to those in agriculture - following the fall harvest but before travel along unimproved roads was likely to be too difficult. |
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| Vero |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
Actually they wanted it to be convenient. You have to remember that back in those days it's not as if people were working 9-5 weekdays, most people were farmers, and it's not as if they had cars either.
The real reason it is on a Tuesday is to give time for people to travel into town to vote since, when the day was decided, there was still only one polling location in each county. For many rural Americans in the late 18th century, this meant leaving a day before the actual day of the election - on Monday. They didn't want elections on Monday because people would have to leave Sunday which would be inconvenient to many of the religious types.
November as a chosen month was also selected to cater to those in agriculture - following the fall harvest but before travel along unimproved roads was likely to be too difficult. |
seems like someone sure knows their |
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| ex-dj |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vero
thank you, and just for the record, what i believe makes democracy NOT work is getting screwed into not having a real choice. like having to vote for one of 2 morons who are both very conservative, who both have the same view on the war we are in, and having to choose who you think "isnt so bad"
RzO, IMO its not about voting for who will win, but voting for who you want. i think so many people see the 2 candidates we have and say "oh i dont either im not gonna vote" but if we have 4 or 5 candidates with equal chances to win, i think way more people would vote.
i mean, i havent heard anything on any of the other candidates from the media. at least 75% of voters are gonna look at the rest of the names on that balot and go "who the are these guys?" |
great point! never has it been more true then in this and the last presidential election too. i didn't vote last time because i didn't like bush or gore, and i almost wasn't gonna vote again this year, but went and registered on the last day.
the ideal of every canidate having an equal chance is great, i hope one day we get rid of this stupid bi-partisan system, but as it stands now only democrat and republican canidates stand a shot at winning, most voters don't put in the work to learn about the other canidates that aren't constantly in the media... it's a shame, one of those guys might be the better choice. but i'm just gonna go with the "lesser of two evils" and vote Kerry.
But seriously... how about we just bring back Clinton!! :toocool: |
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| phonk64 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ex-dj
i hope one day we get rid of this stupid bi-partisan system...i'm just gonna go with the "lesser of two evils" and vote Kerry. |
You hope the bi-partisan system will one day die, but you're content voting for the "lesser of two evils." You contradicted yourself from one end of your post to another! Just like a good old-fashioned John Kerry flip-flop. :tongue2 :tongue2 :tongue2
The bi-partisan system will never go away if people are content voting for candidates they think don't suck as much as the other guy. Cast a ballot for a 3rd party. Their numbers can ONLY go up one at a time! You don't take away votes from other candidates either (by that logic, if i vote for Bush i'm taking away votes from Kerry :nervous: :nervous: ) Thats what the media wants you to think so you vote mainstream. You're giving your vote to a candidate that you think is superior!!! :cool: |
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| phonk64 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
Actually they wanted it to be convenient. You have to remember that back in those days it's not as if people were working 9-5 weekdays, most people were farmers, and it's not as if they had cars either.
The real reason it is on a Tuesday is to give time for people to travel into town to vote since, when the day was decided, there was still only one polling location in each county. For many rural Americans in the late 18th century, this meant leaving a day before the actual day of the election - on Monday. They didn't want elections on Monday because people would have to leave Sunday which would be inconvenient to many of the religious types.
November as a chosen month was also selected to cater to those in agriculture - following the fall harvest but before travel along unimproved roads was likely to be too difficult. |
That does make sense, however that just implies that they made it marginally less inconvenient for the people who could vote back then, the land owners. You still don't want apathetic people ambling up to the polls and voting. Having to leave in the middle of the week was a way to safeguard against that. |
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