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| hardcore trancer |
stupid in Bush supporters:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I love it the world will hate the US 10000000000000000000X more now. |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Wow, someone really don't understand the situation here at all.
It wasn't a country they were after; never was.
Saddam was front and center all the time.
The country in question is now liberated and can choose their own destiny without being suppressed by a ruthless, draconian dictator.
There's no denying the staggering cost that's for sure.
Occupation? The U.S. has no intension of occupation; where the hell did that idea come from? Too many movies maybe?
I guess with that train of thought, that would make Kuwait occupied and part of the evil American Empire when they walked in there during Desert Storm too huh? |
wow...yeah, life is just peachy in Iraq right now. They're not free to do at the moment and the U.S. will be there for quite some time unless they admit they ed up large and beg other countries and the UN to step in (which the arrogant "we did nothing wrong" Bush administration will liekly never do).
You're drawing parallels between defending Kuwait with invading Iraq??? So you don't think there's a world of difference between coming to the aid of a country being attacked and invading a country yourself? Come on...do you REALLY think that the U.S. is spending billions simply to liberate Iraq? Why Iraq? Why not Cuba? Tibet? Africa? The list just goes on and on. So I guess the Iraqi people were just fortunate that the U.S. gov't chose them to be the first benefactors of their newfound desire to rid the world of evil leaders? lol, sure...keep telling yourself that. ;) |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
I guess they should take over the world considering AL qaueda is not solely in one coutnry but spread around the world. Even if they took over the world.. more attacks would happen.. get it? Terrrorism will always win as long as state terrorists are in power.
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They knew who they were going after waaay before Osama opened up his yap and actually admitted on tape.
The States aren't dumb, they knew exactly who they were going after.
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Oh yeah.... who trained the Taliban and OSAMA during the Afghan/Russo war???
Learn your bitch
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Please...different situation entirely bitch.
We all know what was happening at that time...
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One question...WHERE ARE THE WEAPONS THAT BUSH CLAIMED THERE WAS "UNDENIABLE PROOF" EXISTED?????
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Everybody knows Saddam had chemicals weapons.
How else did he slaughter whole Kurd villages???
Bad breath?
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Liberated? Yeah.. 100 000 innocents killed were liberated...the millions that cant leave their homes were liberated... the insurgents and anti-american squads that indirectly control their neighborhoods like mafia's are helping with the liberation. The daily bombing campaigns are liberating.
Get real
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Um buddy. You need to go to some Iraqis websites and read some factual blogs from the people that live there.
That kind of is only going on in certain areas and certainly doesn't reflect the whole county.
Unplug the frickin' CNN boob-tube once in a while and get some REAL facts...
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Money scientists and researchers said could cure AIDS and many cancers!
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Total speculation at best.
With the amount of time and money that's already been spent on AIDS and many cancers, everyone should be cured from a lot of things...
To jump to some random, hypothetical deliberation just make the arguement sound more impressive doesn't make it so.
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Bush even said it himself that they have OCCUPIED iraq. It wasnt there intention to occupy it? Just bomb the living out of the place, remove saddam and walk away? you thought that they thought it was this easy?
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Of COURSE they had to stay in order to help stabalize the country and give them enough time to get themselves back in order.
There was no mention of just leaving them.
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Multibillion dollar contracts have been rewarded to Bush's friends and daddy's freinds.
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Which ones?
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They will enjoy that money as poor young americans are forced to protect their assets with their lives.
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What a crock of that is.
You just don't walk into a recruitment office dreaming of getting some exercise, seeing the world and collecting a pay cheque from the tax payers for nothing do you?
They know damn well that when their country calls, they better answer.
That's par for the course and is no surprise to any soldier.
That's like saying, "I want to be a fireman but I don't want to fight fires in case I break a nail".
Get real... |
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| Floorwhore |
^^^^^^^^
Holy Diginut batman!!!! |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Everybody knows Saddam had chemicals weapons.
How else did he slaughter whole Kurd villages?? |
WHERE did they get those weapons from?and why didnt the US gov stop him when they knew they he is going to use it on his own people?
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
WHERE did they get those weapons from?and why didnt the US gov stop him when they knew they he is going to use it on his own people?
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dont bother.. hes going to make a lame excuse up.. like "they didnt know he was going to use it" |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
WHERE did they get those weapons from?and why didnt the US gov stop him when they knew they he is going to use it on his own people?
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Again, different situation entirely...
And a lot of there weapons were from the People's Republic of China, France, Egypt, Germany and the USSR not just the Americans.
Sure we can blame the Americans but to just blame them is false.
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As we can tell from the link, they (Iraq) had a lot of backing from the Arab States as well.
The Iranian Revolution was the problem at that time, not Saddam.
Saddam was the least of their worries, in fact, he was their friend.
But when one decides that invading another country rather than paying back a $14 billion dollar debt is a solution (Kuwait), things change in a hurry on the world front.
Why is it people always seem to conveniently forget their history when they try to prove their point? |
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| bass drive |
damn those bloody wasps :D |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
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The Iranian Revolution was the problem at that time, not Saddam.
Saddam was the least of their worries, in fact, he was their friend.
But when one decides that invading another country rather than paying back a $14 billion dollar debt is a solution (Kuwait), things change in a hurry on the world front.
Why is it people always seem to conveniently forget their history when they try to prove their point? |
oh, you want to talk about forgetting history???
so Saddam was their friend, supported in his war with Iran...yet ingored while he apparently tortured, gassed, etc. his own people...the U.S. not finishing the job after Kuwait (well, because the oil was safe!), but then Bush jr. deemed it necessary to spend billions on invading Iraq and ousting him for reasons that remain dubious at best.
Osama bin Laden was their friend, trained by U.S. forces, on their payroll...later he apparently orchestrates 9/11 and becomes the #1 enemy of the U.S.
Manuel Noreiga was Bush Sr.'s friend, on the U.S. payroll for reportedly 6 figures in the 70's (ie. a LOT of money)...but the U.S. invaded (oh, that word crops up again!) Panama and seized him when he was no longer seen as a worthwhile "ally". Among other things, he provided safe haven for the Shah of Iran...yet another brutal leader who was at one time supported (actually, put into power) by the U.S. themeselves.
quite the pattern of behaviour...ignore the bad things other leaders do and support them so long as it suits U.S. gov't interests...then take them down (often by illegal means) when they are no longer perceived to be beneficial. Perhaps the U.S. would be better served by their gov't staying the out of other countries' business in these cases? |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
oh, you want to talk about forgetting history???
so Saddam was their friend, supported in his war with Iran, ingored while he apparently tortured, gassed, etc. his own people...but then, after not finishing the job daddy started after Kuwait, Bush jr. deemed it necessary to spend billions on invading Iraq and ousting him.
Osama bin Laden was their friend, trained by U.S. forces, on their payroll...later he apparently orchestrates 9/11 and becomes the #1 enemy of the U.S.
Manuel Noreiga was Bush Sr.'s friend, on the U.S. payroll for reportedly 6 figures in the 70's (ie. a LOT of money)...but the U.S. invaded (oh, that word crops up again!) Panama and seized him when he was no longer seen as a worthwhile "ally". Among other things, he provided safe haven for the Shah of Iran...yet another brutal leader who was at one time supported (actually, put into power) by the U.S. themeselves.
quite the pattern of behaviour...ignore the bad things other leaders do and support them so long as it suits U.S. gov't interests...then take them down (often illegally) when they are no longer perceived to be beneficial. Perhaps the U.S. would be better served by their gov't staying the out of other countries' business in these cases? |
Mark, its useless trying to convince the brainwashed. He will not comprehend the internal hypocracy of the US and the state terrorists they put in and out of power.
He needs to do some reading to fully understnad the dynamics of international politics, power and resources. Lookslike the Monroe doctrine is affecting even certain canadians, as sad as that is |
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| rabbitjoker |
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