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Islam must be reformed, else face elimination (pg. 3)
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| Fir3start3r |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Epicurus
Have you ever heard of the concept of cause and effect. I'm assuming you have. Without complicating things for you, if you piss people off, expect to be pissed off. How's that for a maxim to be memorized and repeated enough times for you to comprehend.
Don't you believe just for one instant that the rise of radical islam is somehow due to oh, for instance, the Arab and Muslim world being pissed off by the likes of your country. I know you believe that billions of muslims continue to live in peace every day and have done so for centuries, because you just said so. Obviously then, the problem lies not in their religion, but in the fact that they perceive the US, amongst others, as being unfair, oppressive, and imperialistic in theri policies towards them. So my advice is, in simple terms: stop pissing people off and they will do the same. |
ahem, well, tell that to the Saudis and the Jordanians. tell the Israelis that cause and effect is their problem and they should just stop. tell Prince Bandhar that in order to keep his country from falling into a terrorist state again, just to stop what he's doing.
let the Indonesians know that if they stop whatever it is they are doing, they will sign the proverbial peace treaty with radical Islam.
i'm forgetting many other countries that have to deal with this crap, that have to wake up every morning wondering what school bus is going to be vaporized today. just let the leaders of the peaceful and peace seeking Muslems of the planet that your idea to solve it all is to just stop pissing them off!
THEY ARE HOLDING THEIR BREATH:rolleyes: |
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| Dunya |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3984469.stm
Letter threat to Dutch politician
By Geraldine Coughlan
BBC, The Hague
A letter left on the body of murdered Dutch film-maker Theo van Gogh contained death threats against a Dutch politician, the justice minister says.
Piet Hein Donner said the letter, pinned to Mr van Gogh's body with a knife, was "a direct warning" to the liberal deputy Ayaan Hirsi Ali.Oh that poor somalian girl. With a infected clitoris LOL. She came in the Netherlands without a legal ID. she lied about verything. Ad then she begin to insult the muslims by thinking that muslms in Europe are just like the animals in herpoor country. That gil needs to take her medications. She is lost.
Mr van Gogh was shot dead in Amsterdam on Tuesday.
Nine suspects, all believed to be radical Islamists, have been arrested in connection with the murder.
Mr Donner said the letter was signed by an unknown group.
Ms Hirsi Ali is a Somalian refugee who wrote the script to Mr van Gogh's controversial film Submission, which criticises the treatment of women under Islam. Not only the women threatmentbut she justhated all the muslims.
Mr van Gogh, the great-great-nephew of the 19th-century artist Vincent van Gogh, received death threats after the film was broadcast on national television in August.
Koranic verses
The letter threatened to bring down "non-believers".
It was typed in Dutch and contained Koranic verses written in Arabic and translated into Dutch.
Another letter found with a suspect arrested in the case is a farewell letter stating that he is prepared to die as a martyr for his faith.
The authorities are investigating possible links between the nine suspects who have been arrested and foreign terrorist groups, including those responsible for the Casablanca bombings in May last year. |
LOL h is followin the Dutch media very well. LOL Van Gogh deserved it he said that muslims are pigsf*ckers. HE hated everybody even his self. HE said also this kind of words to the Chrisians and 2 the Jews. A few years ago.You can insult jews christians muslims ec. But if you insult Jesus Mohammed or Allah then you go to far.
And now you wanna say that all muslims are muslims LOL. Who killed Pim Fortyen was that not a Dutch activist?
You are just talking nonsense. As long this kind f nimalsare insulting the muslimsthis things will hapen. |
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| Epicurus |
Oh I'm sorry Q5echo,
I therefore ammend my strategy to going around and invading countries and killing innocent people under the pretext that they are harboring fundamentalist islamic elements and hope that they'll shower us with rice and flowers.
Keep on holding YOUR breath :rolleyes: |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by smokeape
ShadoWolf, your two consecutive posts have no relation to each other. One talks about a dutchman murdered for speaking out about Islam and the other is about ethnic fighting in China where Muslims were involved. I'm sure the radical muslims in Holland weren't remotely related to the fighting in China involving an ethnic minority of Muslims. Based on these isolated incidents, you cannot make a general statement that Muslims in general are bad because they have communities elsewhere across the globe and murdering and fighting is not the norm. I suppose you haven't taken any logic courses in college.
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Clearly you don't see the nature of the threat. Radical Islam's agenda is multipronged: worldwide terrorism coupled with demographic warfare.
When Islam comes into contact with other religions and cultures, it leads to war. Christian west, India, Israel, China, etc.
http://www.eriposte.com/war_peace/o...im_violence.htm
| quote: | | In the mid-1990s, a world-wide study identified 20 violent conflicts involving groups from different civilizations, 15 of them between Muslims and non-Muslims. |
http://www.robertfulford.com/Islam2.html |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dunya
LOL h is followin the Dutch media very well. LOL Van Gogh deserved it he said that muslims are pigsf*ckers. HE hated everybody even his self. HE said also this kind of words to the Chrisians and 2 the Jews. A few years ago.You can insult jews christians muslims ec. But if you insult Jesus Mohammed or Allah then you go to far.
And now you wanna say that all muslims are muslims LOL. Who killed Pim Fortyen was that not a Dutch activist?
You are just talking nonsense. As long this kind f nimalsare insulting the muslimsthis things will hapen. |
Rotterdam, Malmo and many French cities are already majority Muslim. France will be majority Muslim in 15 years.
Bin Laden himself talked about the Reconquista. He failed to mention of course that the Muslims were the original aggressors. |
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| Epicurus |
| I love this guy :stongue: I think he actually said Reconquista :haha: :haha: |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Epicurus
Oh I'm sorry Q5echo,
I therefore ammend my strategy to going around and invading countries and killing innocent people under the pretext that they are harboring fundamentalist islamic elements and hope that they'll shower us with rice and flowers.
Keep on holding YOUR breath :rolleyes: |
so your answer is...what?
do you even recognize the epic struggle within Islam or did you start hating Bush because it's cool?
you have no definitive answer for the struggle. millions of innocents are dead, you have your complaints, yet hundreds of leaders from around the world who wake up and die within the struggle who are much smarter and developed than you, deal with it daily. that includes my president.
your just a protester, of what, who cares, but just that. |
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| hardcore trancer |
Another in useless thread by shadowolf.:rolleyes:
Muslims gonna take over the world so I suggest you shoot urself in the head before they come and get ya :disbelief |
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| Epicurus |
| quote: | so your answer is...what?
do you even recognize the epic struggle within Islam or did you start hating Bush because it's cool?
you have no definitive answer for the struggle. millions of innocents are dead, you have your complaints, yet hundreds of leaders from around the world who wake up and die within the struggle who are much smarter and developed than you, deal with it daily. that includes my president.
your just a protester, of what, who cares, but just that. |
Someone is becoming testy and sensitive ;) Let's clear up one thing extremely quickly. First of all, you don't know me, you don't know what I do in life, what my educational background is, or what I believe and stand for. So, do me a favour and lay off the ad hominems, especially when you're in left field. I assure you that very few are smarter and more developed than me, especially your president. You'll be shocked to know that I actually do more than protest :rolleyes:
I'm Arab, I've lived in the Arab world for half of my life, including Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, have endured two wars and know a thing or two about Islam. And my answer still stands. If the US is serious about quelling the threat of radical Islam, they're proceeding in the wrong direction.
There are different "strains" of Islam, each based on a different interpretation of the Koran. Very few are actually radical, and most of them are quite moderate. Having said that, yes, there is an epic battle within Islam as we speak, but radical Islam is an extremely recent phenomena and it wasn't created in a vacuum. The root of the rise of radical Islam lies in what most Muslims feel is Western, especially US injustice towards issues that they cherish, whether it be Palestine, troops in the Arabian peninsula, or control of their oil resources.
Now in terms of solution, if one removes causes for grievances, causes that are unjust in my opinion, then effects resulting from these causes will be subdued if not eliminated. I assure you that force, along the lines that your country is using, will only embolden them and foment their movement, not to mention shift the more moderate elements of Islam into their camp. The more complicated issue is to come up with a strategy to implement the removal of these causes, but their removal is essential for a long lasting solution to this growing problem. If you'd like to discuss the later, in a civilized and non-inflammatory fashion, I'd be more than glad to entertain you. Otherwise, we shall have to part ways. |
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| icyhandofcrap |
Religious extremists of every kind have something seriously wrong with them. Retarded in the non-mentally disabled way? Maybe.
Well... maybe Buddhists don't pose a threat. :p
Heh.. I just watched Arthur Miller's "The Crucible" today. For me, frequent grimacing at the Puritanical idiocy presented. :p
Applies to historical Puritans, some crazy Evangelicals, extremist Muslims, the IRA, etc.. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Epicurus
Someone is becoming testy and sensitive ;) Let's clear up one thing extremely quickly. First of all, you don't know me, you don't know what I do in life, what my educational background is, or what I believe and stand for. So, do me a favour and lay off the ad hominems, especially when you're in left field. I assure you that very few are smarter and more developed than me, especially your president. You'll be shocked to know that I actually do more than protest :rolleyes:
I'm Arab, I've lived in the Arab world for half of my life, including Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, have endured two wars and know a thing or two about Islam. And my answer still stands. If the US is serious about quelling the threat of radical Islam, they're proceeding in the wrong direction.
There are different "strains" of Islam, each based on a different interpretation of the Koran. Very few are actually radical, and most of them are quite moderate. Having said that, yes, there is an epic battle within Islam as we speak, but radical Islam is an extremely recent phenomena and it wasn't created in a vacuum. The root of the rise of radical Islam lies in what most Muslims feel is Western, especially US injustice towards issues that they cherish, whether it be Palestine, troops in the Arabian peninsula, or control of their oil resources.
Now in terms of solution, if one removes causes for grievances, causes that are unjust in my opinion, then effects resulting from these causes will be subdued if not eliminated. I assure you that force, along the lines that your country is using, will only embolden them and foment their movement, not to mention shift the more moderate elements of Islam into their camp. The more complicated issue is to come up with a strategy to implement the removal of these causes, but their removal is essential for a long lasting solution to this growing problem. If you'd like to discuss the later, in a civilized and non-inflammatory fashion, I'd be more than glad to entertain you. Otherwise, we shall have to part ways. |
it's just not as easy as stop pissing them off or whatever it is you led me to believe.
great pains have been taken over many years to deal with Islamofacism in a multinational and, above all, peaceful means.
this administration has been responsible for a lot of it. this administration hs worked peacfully and successfully with all but a handfull of the major players with little or no credit yet still fights on. the force this country uses since my president took office is just and resolute. force that only radical islam respects and is justified in the freedoms that many Arabs now enjoy. Saddam was not the Islamic worlds answer to lasting peace. Arabs know this and the ones who don't are wrong. i am not interested in the reasons why OBL declared war on my country six years ago. i am not interested in why Jamhal Islamia seeks to spread like a plague. i am interested in a solution. that solution involves military force among a host of many other things that my country is doing. one thing we will not do is abandon the Saudis or Israel or Jordan or any Arab country that is interested in peace. you say my president has disenfranchised Islamic peace? i say he's doing every thing he can to give long term peace to Islam. |
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