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The Paul Van Dyk Discussion (pg. 5)
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| scAza |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nite-Mer
And for the guy that said prog is easier to mix, that depends. Some prog is and some isn't. Tempo doesn't mean . It's track interaction that can be tougher playing trance. But if the dj is playing trance and waiting until the end of the track to mix, it's not difficult at all. It's under and overlapping well that is tough with trance, but I have been playing a lot of ethereal or melodic progressive that is equally difficult. Sometimes it's even harder, because the basslines vary more and are more prominent fixtures in the song. So you can't really generalize like that. If your reasoning was true, D n B would be the hardest genre to mix, but that's not really the case.
Edit - Also, I went to see Markus for the first time recently. The latter part of his set was uptempo trance, aka Rank One - Breathing (airwave) Breaks mix, etc. He did fine on those mixes too. |
i know what you mean i didnt mean to generalise my point so much, but in my experience and ive had a lot or mixing proggy stuff, and mixin like 145-150bpm stuff, i find it a lot harder doing that than doin the slower stuff!
the slower stuff can be harder as u say, coz they usually hav drawn-out melodies lasting way more bars etc, u hav to bring in and bring out at the right point, but i play really fast stuff that has the same thing a lot of the time, and i find it easier doing the long transitions on low tempo stuff, to when am bangin it at 145 or somethin,, thats my experience of it anyway ;)
i think tempo DOES mean somethin, coz if 2 tracks at around 150BPM arent beatmatched and start to fall out of sync.. it becomes noticeable a LOT quicker, than on 2 proggy tunes playin at 128BPM, with soft organic type drumbeats... |
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| Nite-Mer |
| quote: | Originally posted by scAza
i know what you mean i didnt mean to generalise my point so much, but in my experience and ive had a lot or mixing proggy stuff, and mixin like 145-150bpm stuff, i find it a lot harder doing that than doin the slower stuff!
the slower stuff can be harder as u say, coz they usually hav drawn-out melodies lasting way more bars etc, u hav to bring in and bring out at the right point, but i play really fast stuff that has the same thing a lot of the time, and i find it easier doing the long transitions on low tempo stuff, to when am bangin it at 145 or somethin,, thats my experience of it anyway ;)
i think tempo DOES mean somethin, coz if 2 tracks at around 150BPM arent beatmatched and start to fall out of sync.. it becomes noticeable a LOT quicker, than on 2 proggy tunes playin at 128BPM, with soft organic type drumbeats... |
On the same token your corrections should sound better on faster music as the same amount of pressure speeding up or slowing down will not affect the record as much. I don't know if you can understand what I mean the way it's worded, but a correction is a smaller percentage of the overall beats per minute thus not changing the ebb and flow as much as an alteration of a slower track. And if you talk to someone who started playing uptempo, like d n b, in particular, they will probably tell you that it's easier to mix faster. It all depends on what your ear is trained to. I don't think it's any harder to mix trance than prog. I think you can ride your mixes out longer using prog and it gives you more flexibility, but beatmatching is the same for both, for me. Sometimes faster is easier, because an adjustment of pitch isn't as hard to lock in as it is for slower tracks. The whole percentages thing again. Your fine tuning has to be more precise the slower the music. It's all personal preference. |
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| scAza |
^i think this should end our discussion :o
lol
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| TheVrk |
i gotta agree with Dave Piazza, in that track selection
is much more important than gr8 mixing.
u CAN overcome mediocre mixing with incredible trax.
#2
PvD's def had trancier phases and tech phases.
i'd say i like him best when he's a good mix of the 2.
but the bangin sets are REAL good (ex. mayday 2002:eyes: ) |
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| Nite-Mer |
| quote: | Originally posted by scAza
^i think this should end our discussion :o
lol
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LOL! Agreed. |
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| sandstorm03 |
| quote: | Originally posted by sleepydragon
im not sure u can put pvd in the same catergory as the other djs u mentioned |
zzzzz, zzzzz, zzzzz, you can stop copying others oppinions and create your own. If this is your own, then show how pvd is laking in skill. |
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| hadi burpee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dave Piazza
Topic # 1
I hear some PVD fans complain about his mixing sometimes.
My question to you is what importance does PVD's mixing have on with your apperception or enjoyment of a PVD set.
I personally don't mind mediocre transitions. What I do mind is the music selection. I always believe that mediocre transitions can be overcome with quality track selection.
Your thoughts?
Topic # 2
Has PVD had different musical ‘phases’? Was he more trancy some years or more techno in others. If so, which did you prefer. Why?
Please feel free to add other Topics to discuss relating to Paul Van Dyk. |
topic 1: when you pay good money, you expect a good DJ. not a mediocre one. if we want a mediocre one, we'll have a listen to your radio show, since you dont mind mediocre transitions. |
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| varun |
| quote: | Originally posted by sandstorm03
zzzzz, zzzzz, zzzzz, you can stop copying others oppinions and create your own. If this is your own, then show how pvd is laking in skill. |
You 'lak' education,common sense and a fully-functional intellect. off.
Regarding PVD, he lacks perfection.We all do as humans because there is always a small margin of error involved. That is good in a way because it gives a sense of realism rather than something that would be rehearsed/pre-planned in order to achieve perfection.
He does have minor flaws at numerous places in a lot of his sets but
overall his mixing is tight and tracklisting good.
He also jumps genres very well during his sets that not many dj's can do as well as he can. |
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| A.J. |
| quote: | Originally posted by TheVrk
#2
PvD's def had trancier phases and tech phases.
i'd say i like him best when he's a good mix of the 2.
but the bangin sets are REAL good (ex. mayday 2002:eyes: ) |
Definitely!! :D :D :D
I totally agree. I love it when Paul bangs it out.... |
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| Light The Fuse |
Doesnt do it for me like he used to - when he wasnt so fast and PLayed a little more progressive.
obtw;
Paul Van Dyk - X-Mix 1: The MFS Trip (1993)
0. Alien Nation - Intro
1. Gemini 6 - Skysoaring
2. True Love - Breath Of Stars
3. Effective Force - Diamond Bullet
4. Cosmic Baby - Cosmikk Trigger I
5. Cosmic Baby - Oh Supergirl
6. Microglobe - High On Hope
7. Voov - Strobe Light
8. Futurhythm - Transmanic
9. Cosmic Baby - The Space Track
10. Humate - Love Stimulation
11. Cosmic Baby - Heaven's Tears
12. Visions Of Shiva, The - How Much Can You Take?
13. Cosmic Baby - Sweet Dreams For Kaa
14. Loopzone - Natural High
15. Visions Of Shiva, The - Perfect Night
cums. |
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| sandstorm03 |
| quote: | Originally posted by varun
You 'lak' education,common sense and a fully-functional intellect. off.
Regarding PVD, he lacks perfection.We all do as humans because there is always a small margin of error involved. That is good in a way because it gives a sense of realism rather than something that would be rehearsed/pre-planned in order to achieve perfection.
He does have minor flaws at numerous places in a lot of his sets but
overall his mixing is tight and tracklisting good.
He also jumps genres very well during his sets that not many dj's can do as well as he can. |
:haha: :haha: :haha: what a joke |
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| S_madis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Light The Fuse
Doesnt do it for me like he used to - when he wasnt so fast and PLayed a little more progressive.
obtw;
Paul Van Dyk - X-Mix 1: The MFS Trip (1993)
0. Alien Nation - Intro
1. Gemini 6 - Skysoaring
2. True Love - Breath Of Stars
3. Effective Force - Diamond Bullet
4. Cosmic Baby - Cosmikk Trigger I
5. Cosmic Baby - Oh Supergirl
6. Microglobe - High On Hope
7. Voov - Strobe Light
8. Futurhythm - Transmanic
9. Cosmic Baby - The Space Track
10. Humate - Love Stimulation
11. Cosmic Baby - Heaven's Tears
12. Visions Of Shiva, The - How Much Can You Take?
13. Cosmic Baby - Sweet Dreams For Kaa
14. Loopzone - Natural High
15. Visions Of Shiva, The - Perfect Night
cums. |
yeah couldn' agree more. This is by FAR pvds greatest ever mix! really nice and chilled and mixing is absolutely top notch. |
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