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American Terrorism - the worst of them all (pg. 9)
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| starsearcher |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
So how can you blame the fear and anger palesitnians face on a daily basis on them alone??? They deal with those missiles everyday...they deal with Israels agressive collective punishment style state run terrorism EVERYDAY
Take what you faced during the gulf war... and multiplythat by a lifetime...theres what a pal faces. |
What you for some reason fail to realize, that the fact the Israeli forces are present in the territoris are only because the Palestinians were the ones who decided to take up arms rather than peace talks. NOT the other way around. Prior to the intifada many palestinians and Israelis lived peacefully and many of them even worked in Israel. The reason Israeli forces took over is because Yaser Arafat gave the Hamas leader a Mercedes Benz for his birthday instead of taking care of the terrorists.
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Why??? So lets see... when Saddam occupies Kuwait hes an evil bastard that has to be stopped and iraq has to be bombed. But when israel occupies the West bank, gaza and The Golan heights, and saddam decides to bomb you guys becuase he deems you guys as evil.. its not okay???
Why is it okay to bomb saddam for doing the EXACT same thing as Israel does, but when Israel is bombed for that very reason.... its not right???
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Wrong again...Israel never just occupied anything. Just to get your history facts straight Israel has never been the attacker in any of the numerous wars it had with all of its neighbours. (a) It was attacked by EVERY arab country on the day it was declared a country. (b) It was continuously attacked through numerous wars and even on the holiest day in the jesiwh calendar - Yom Kipur. (c) In it's defence the Israeli Defence Force (IDF) pushed his enemies back as far as Damascus in Syria and conquering all of the Sinai peninsula. All of these areas were given eventually back to their "owners". and (d) most importantly...the "occupied territories" have always been part of Israel - Palesting as a contry does not exist, therefore you can't tell tell me BS such as "When Israel occupies west bank and Gaza and the Golan heights - These are Israel.
Now...bases on these facts I still don't see a reason for Sadam to attack Israel...
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Why do you think they were brainwashed??? what kind of environment bred such a hatred to start manipulating the minds of these children to go and irrationally blow themselves up??? What atmosphere has led them to further their agenda???? Do you think they are genetically prone to hate jews??? Do you think if Palestinians were treated likek Humans they would still act Inhumanely? would this pattern exist? |
No...but it's well known whether you like it or not that the terror organizations are specifically targeting and brainwashing kids from young age particularly in hard to - do places.
What amazes me...that instaed of blaming the ing terrorists and fundis, which were the ones that REALLY brought the harships on all the arabs in the world, you actually support them and encourage them!!!
I watched a documentary about Saudi Arabia where in fact this is what they are doing...discouraging the fundis and blaming them for everything. Instead you are praising them!
Think about it...by justifying their cause you are just making EVERYTHING worse. Do you not realize that by encouraging terrorism you are GIVING the US a reason for example and a justification to go and invade some place. The world opinion and sympathy will never be won by a use of arms bombs and terror, and yet all you guys do is try and justify suicide bombings and terror attacks :( |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by starsearcher
No...but it's well known whether you like it or not that the terror organizations are specifically targeting and brainwashing kids from young age particularly in hard to - do places. |
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight soo what about IDF??they dont brainwash the teenagers that join the army?I saw this on a documantry and this kid said he cant wait to go and kill those terrorists out there once he joins the army and that he'd love to blow their heads up.
GIMME A BREAK :rolleyes: |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Scorchio
I'm actually 19 years old and a proud soldier in the Israeli Defence Force. |
Being part of IDF is nothing to proud of it is like being proud of being AL Queda
| quote: | Hardcore Trancer:
I'm more than porud of being a Zionist, but not YOUR zionist.
Your Zionist is an evil man who kicks Palestinians off their lands.
My Zionist is a man who settled in a land that Israel conquered during a war which was started by the Palestinians.
Tough Break. |
so perhaps guys like you should come up with another name insread of zionists ;)
| quote: | | And just so you know, I'm pro-pullout from gaza strip becuase I believe thats the only thing that will recover the Palestinian dignity which Arafat took from them. |
Thats good to hear now lets pullback out of the rest of the occupied land.:) |
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| starsearcher |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Being part of IDF is nothing to proud of it is like being proud of being AL Queda
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:rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
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| TruffleShuffle |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
you fukers re-elected Hitler |
I didn't vote for him. And stop making the assumption that we all support the war in Iraq, because most of us who are educated don't. |
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| TheVrk |
| quote: | Originally posted by TruffleShuffle
I didn't vote for him. And stop making the assumption that we all support the war in Iraq, because most of us who are educated don't. |
thank GOD:eek: |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Tom
I see that Cyrus King and hardcore trancer have a big problem with the US so I have devised a method for their voice to be heard.
Head down to any major US city during peak traffic times, strap some bombs to your chest and run onto a loaded public transit bus or train. Proceed to wait till the bus or train is near capacity and set your self off amongst the people. Nothing screams 'I hate America' more then killing a bunch of innocent people! Good luck and let Allah be with you! |
go play in your priaries. |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by starsearcher
What you for some reason fail to realize, that the fact the Israeli forces are present in the territoris are only because the Palestinians were the ones who decided to take up arms rather than peace talks. NOT the other way around. Prior to the intifada many palestinians and Israelis lived peacefully and many of them even worked in Israel. The reason Israeli forces took over is because Yaser Arafat gave the Hamas leader a Mercedes Benz for his birthday instead of taking care of the terrorists.
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Why do you think they decided to take arms???? You just say "they decided to take arms" as if its wrong to fight for freedom. The palestinians didnt use suicide bombing until 27years AFTER occuptation.. Their first intifada was in the 80's, i think theyve tried having diplomatic discourse for more than you think. since Israel occupied the West bank and Gaza...the pals as a whole populace living in the these areas didnt use violence.
I think after 27 years of living under a military force i too would get pissed and help free my people.
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Wrong again...Israel never just occupied anything. Just to get your history facts straight Israel has never been the attacker in any of the numerous wars it had with all of its neighbours. (a) It was attacked by EVERY arab country on the day it was declared a country. (b) It was continuously attacked through numerous wars and even on the holiest day in the jesiwh calendar - Yom Kipur. (c) In it's defence the Israeli Defence Force (IDF) pushed his enemies back as far as Damascus in Syria and conquering all of the Sinai peninsula. All of these areas were given eventually back to their "owners". and (d) most importantly...the "occupied territories" have always been part of Israel - Palesting as a contry does not exist, therefore you can't tell tell me BS such as "When Israel occupies west bank and Gaza and the Golan heights - These are Israel.
Now...bases on these facts I still don't see a reason for Sadam to attack Israel... |
And the Lebenon invasion was not Israel's choice????? Oh yes.. thats right.. a few hundred palesitnian PLO memebers living in lebenon required a fullscale war on a country that ended up killing thousands of people, and subsequently occupying half of it until 2001?
So i guess the west bank and Gaza are NOT under occuptation in your eyes becuase they dont exist?? ITs all israels???? give me a break and also give me a kit kat while your at it.
And also... not "ALL" was given back. Israel still maintains controlof Syria's Golan Heights.
So... back to my question.. Saddam could have (just like the US was) been "fighting" for the Lebanese, palesitnians and Syrians when he threw scud misiiles at you guys during the gulf war, just like the US was "fighting" for Kuwaits freedom under Saddams occuptation. What makes ISRAELS occuption OKAY and Saddams WRONG? What makes flying scuds into ISrael wrong, and bombing iraq right while both countries are guilty of the same crime?
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No...but it's well known whether you like it or not that the terror organizations are specifically targeting and brainwashing kids from young age particularly in hard to - do places. |
Again.. look at why they chose to brainwash these people. You are just looking at HOW they brainwash and the ACT of it and using that to criticise the palestinians. Of course its unfortunate that they do this tio children.. but you are not looking at the implications and reasons as to why and how this type of hatred and corruption has consumed these people. Why are the palestinian citizens of Israel (arab israeli's) not blowing themselves up? Why are they not going mental? Thats almost 1 million arabs! Why is are they not using terroism?
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What amazes me...that instaed of blaming the ing terrorists and fundis, which were the ones that REALLY brought the harships on all the arabs in the world, you actually support them and encourage them!!! |
I have never advocated terrorism.
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I watched a documentary about Saudi Arabia where in fact this is what they are doing...discouraging the fundis and blaming them for everything. Instead you are praising them!
Think about it...by justifying their cause you are just making EVERYTHING worse. Do you not realize that by encouraging terrorism you are GIVING the US a reason for example and a justification to go and invade some place. The world opinion and sympathy will never be won by a use of arms bombs and terror, and yet all you guys do is try and justify suicide bombings and terror attacks :( |
I usaully do get labelled that becuase i support the Palestinian caus. But im not surprised that Israeli's call me this... its so embedded in their skull that there is only one type of terrorism and that you are either with or against them |
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| DJ Tom |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
yes I do have a problem with the American "government" and Iam not the only one here who feels that way.
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If you like America soo much why dont you go and join the rest of those American terrorists and fight in Iraq? terrorists?:rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
Theres a difference between having problems with the American government and having to be a total wanker x100. So either put up with it, or do something (besides bitching) about it. Join a lobby group, make a movie, get involved in school clubs or political groups. :thepirate I would join the US military, but I have got other plans. |
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| DJ Tom |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
go play in your priaries. |
Guess you must not feel that strong about the US if you don't want to destroy society. Pfft...conformist. |
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| Cyrus King |
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NEWS YOU WON'T FIND ON CNN
Civilian cost of battle for Falluja emerges
Rory McCarthy in Baghdad and Peter Beaumont
11/14/04 "The Observer" --The full cost of the battle of Falluja emerged last night as large numbers of wounded civilians were evacuated to hospitals in Baghdad, as insurgents stepped up retaliatory attacks in other cities.
As the first Red Crescent aid convoy was allowed into Falluja, Iraq's Health Minister, Alaa Alwan, said ambulances had begun transferring a 'significant number' of injured civilians out of the battle zone, although he did not specify how many.
The evacuation of the wounded from Falluja came as insurgents consolidated their grip on large areas of Iraq's third largest city, Mosul, setting up checkpoints and conducting their own patrols, and as fresh Iraqi and US troops were rushed north to counter the new threat.
The moves came amid renewed warnings from aid groups that Iraq's civilian population was facing a 'humanitarian catastrophe'.
Although many of Falluja's 200,000 to 300,000 residents fled the city before the assault, between 30,000 and 50,000 are believed to have remained during the fighting.
The horrific conditions for those who remained in the city have begun to emerge in the last 24 hours as it became clear that US military claims of 'precision' targeting of insurgent positions were false.
According to one Iraqi journalist who left Falluja on Friday, some of the civilian injuries were caused by the massive firepower directed on to city neighbourhoods during the battle.
'If the fighters fire a mortar, US forces respond with huge force,' said the journalist, who asked not to be named.
The city had been without power or water for days. Frozen food had spoiled and people could not charge their cellphones. 'Some people hadn't prepared well. They didn't stock up on tinned food. They didn't think it would be this bad,' he said.
At the main hospital, cut off from the rest of the city, doctors have reportedly been treating the injured with nothing but bandages, while the Red Crescent says people have been bleeding to death for lack of medical attention.
The claims came as an Iraqi Red Crescent convoy entered Falluja yesterday with the first aid supplies to reach the city since US-led forces began to blast their way in five days ago.
Prior to that the city had been surrounded by a US military cordon and subjected to heavy daily bombardment.
Red Crescent spokeswoman Firdoos al-Abadi - who had described the situation inside the city as 'catastrophic' - said 30 volunteers with five trucks and three ambulances had driven into the city west of Baghdad.
The aid convoy reached Falluja's main hospital, on the west bank of the Euphrates, but US forces stopped it crossing the river into the city centre, saying bridges were insecure.
The fears of large numbers of civilian injured have raised fresh warnings that the suffering in Falluja will be used to rally insurgents across northern Iraq.
As new attacks took place in Baghdad and Samarra and President Bush used a radio address to warn of increasing violence in the run-up to elections in January, US Marine officers in Falluja itself said they hoped to have the whole of the city under their control within 72 hours.
The predictions came as US troops, tanks and artillery launched a major attack on what they said were the final positions of insurgents still holding outs, leaving a pall of black smoke covering much of the city.
Iraq's national security adviser, Qassem Dawoud, said about 1,000 insurgents had been killed and another 200 captured during the Fallujah operation. This could not be independently verified.
Meanwhile, the US death toll rose to 24 after two marines were killed by a home-made bomb. |
http://www.informationclearinghouse...article7284.htm |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | US troops 'preventing aid' to Falluja
Sunday 14 November 2004, 14:59 Makka Time, 11:59 GMT
US snipers target anything that
moves on the ground
US troops are preventing a Red Crescent convoy of emergency aid from reaching helpless residents inside Falluja, a spokeswoman says.
Hopes were raised that the military would make an exception to a no-entry rule when the trucks were allowed as far as the Falluja general hospital, which was seized before a US-Iraqi assault to gain control of the city, the spokeswoman said on Saturday.
But wounded residents inside the war zone were unable to enter the hospital on the western outskirts, and US forces forbade the aid convoy from reaching them, Red Crescent spokeswoman Firdus al-Ubadi said.
Access denied
"They are in the general hospital, but until now the Americans will not let them distribute medical supplies in the city," al-Ubadi said, referring to the team of 50 volunteers and three doctors that had travelled from Baghdad to Falluja.
Doctor Jamal al-Karbuli, the secretary-general of the Iraqi Red Crescent, "is negotiating with the Americans to let them distribute the supplies to the people", she added.
Many families have fled from the
war-torn city to nearby villages
"Jamal is insisting, at least, to have permission to get the injured people out of Falluja and into the hospital."
Civilians hiding in the city, where US and Iraqi troops have clashed with the resistance since Monday, are dying of starvation and thirst and something must be done to help them, al-Ubadi said.
"They need us. It is our duty as a humanitarian agency to do our job for these people in these circumstances," she said.
The Iraqi government said it was evacuating wounded civilians out of Falluja and that the main hospital would soon be operational again.
A US military spokesman said the city was too risky for the aid workers.
"We have to take into consideration safety and security," he said.
Refugees badly need water and
food supplies, aid workers said
Refugee town struck
Late on Saturday, Aljazeera reported that the town of Amiriyat al-Falluja - hosting about 4000 families fleeing the fighting in Falluja - was struck by a US aerial assault, which killed five people and injured four others.
Earlier, the Red Crescent society had despatched a convoy of four relief trucks and an ambulance to Amiriyat al-Falluja and a tourist village in Habbaniya - where an additional 1500 refugees are camped.
The Red Crescent believes that only 150 families are still in the heart of Falluja, but it is concerned about the
plight of tens of thousands of people living in refugee camps and villages dotted outside.
"They are dying of starvation and a lack of water, especially
the children," al-Ubadi said.
"If there is no solution to this crisis it will expand to other cities and other parts of Iraq and there will be a great disaster here."
An AFP correspondent in Falluja said he had seen a number of
families emerge from the devastation.
US snipers target anything that
moves on the ground
One group among them complained on Friday of severe thirst and hunger. Another was on the edge of despair.
Witness contradicts denials
Local journalist in Falluja, Haza al-Afify, told Aljazeera that there were many civilian casualties, contrary to what the US military said.
"The humanitarian situation is miserable. The US forces have cut the electricity power supply.
"Water-pumping operations have now stopped for good. Water pipes carry polluted water supply. There is a severe shortage of foodstuff and food supplies," he said.
"The US forces denial is something but the realities on the ground are another. The US tanks and aircraft keep bombarding residents' homes day and night.
"The US snipers keep dominating rooftops and target everything that moves on the ground. This is mass murder for Falluja residents," the journalist said.
"There are scores of families buried under the rubble of destroyed homes. Others have bled to death. There is a stench from every street due to decaying bodies."
"So how can I believe the US forces' allegations on what I have witnessed by my own eyes?" |
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exe...7B5507CBC37.htm |
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