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Jesus speaks through Republicans? (pg. 2)
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| razmataz |
| quote: | Originally posted by TuanAnh213
inbreeding and NASCAR...two things that motivate the south |
That was funny :) I never did understand the American facination with nascar. |
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| Reverend_Trance |
| quote: | Originally posted by TuanAnh213
inbreeding and NASCAR...two things that motivate the south |
While we are trying to have discussion about Christianity and the Republican Party, many people tend to ignore posts and say we are all stupid Southern/Midwestern NASCAR hicks.
As my avatar says and the avatar is from Moore's website. I fall in the new nation of Jesusland. Many people have a sense of morality or believe in a higher power whether it be Allah, God, Jesus, Yahweh, Buddha, Confucius, Zoaster, Nature/Wicca/Taoism, etc. Many people have some type of moral compass.
The idea of gay marriage is revolutionary. For thousands of years, marriage is between a man and his wife/wives. As time progressed it became man and wife (singular) Mormons were forced to move to salt Lake due to the barbaric custom of muliple wives. As a point of admission as a state, Utah had to ban plural marriage.
Two years ago, gay marriage was not even an issue. According to the averages of state amendments to ban gay marriage, the average is 75% no and 25% yes. The one liberal state, Oregon, had it on the ballot and it passed.
Changing the meaning of marriage or any moral values goes beyond Christianity. For many Gay marriage is a TABOO. Like in the 1950s, pregnant was bad, instead she was with child. Changing marriage is like everyone converting to Macintosh and Microsoft going out of business. It might happen but the chances are slim. |
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| Dave Piazza |
As one can see in this thread. When you try to understand the link between Christ/Religion and the Republican Ideology one comes to the conclusion that this link can not be established.
This is discussion Kerry failed to enguage in this election. Instead of being on the offensive, he thought Bush would just say something stupid and he would win. He should have attacked his actions and his religions morals. Kerry did not. He failed to have a central theme in his campaign like Bush had. Stupid people watching on TV could not latch onto the Kerry message as a result.
Kerry and the other democrats fail to mobilize people to act. They try to play it safe like pussies. They don't want to discuss religion because they are scared they might alienate those non-religious voters or the Jewish population who don’t believe in Christ.
We also fail to realize that the young voters didn't show up at all. Same % as the last elections. What does this show? It shows that young people in this country saw no difference in Bush or Kerry. I don't blame them. I see the bull too. I just thought Kerry was a lesser evil than Bush. Is this a true democracy when only two political parties exist ? Is this a true democracy when only of elite rich white men run for government office? Is this a true democracy when money becomes the source of power? Is this a true democracy when appearance reign supreme over ideas?
Democracy is in a decline; identical to what occurred in Rome. |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dave Piazza
This is discussion Kerry failed to enguage in this election. Instead of being on the offensive, he thought Bush would just say something stupid and he would win. He should have attacked his actions and his religions morals. Kerry did not. He failed to have a central theme in his campaign like Bush had. Stupid people watching on TV could not latch onto the Kerry message as a result.
Kerry and the other democrats fail to mobilize people to act. They try to play it safe like pussies. They don't want to discuss religion because they are scared they might alienate those non-religious voters or the Jewish population who don’t believe in Christ. |
What this illustrates to me is further evidence that the Democrats have lost touch and Kerry had no real core. Rather he tried to say whatever was politically popular to garner the most votes. Bush campaigned on a platform he believed in. He never changed his central beliefs(though several of you have tried to point to some menial "flip-flops"). Bottom line, Bush ran on his principles, Kerry ran on what he thought was popular. In the end more people saw through Kerry's transparency and went with a guy who has consistently done what he says and has stuck to his central beliefs(for the most part at least).
We also fail to realize that the young voters didn't show up at all. Same % as the last elections. What does this show? It shows that young people in this country saw no difference in Bush or Kerry. I don't blame them. I see the bull too. I just thought Kerry was a lesser evil than Bush. Is this a true democracy when only two political parties exist ? Is this a true democracy when only of elite rich white men run for government office? Is this a true democracy when money becomes the source of power? Is this a true democracy when appearance reign supreme over ideas?
Democracy is in a decline; identical to what occurred in Rome. [/QUOTE] |
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| Dave Piazza |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
Bottom line, Bush ran on his principles, Kerry ran on what he thought was popular.
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This sounds great. But you fail to realize that Bush's principles are indirect violation with his actions. He speaks of great things but he does extremely stupid things which are against his principles and morals.
I believe less perceptive people were able to see through Kerry's bull because it was so obvious. But I think it took more understanding to understand why Bush was also a bullter too.
If Giuliani runs for president in 2008 you may see me cross party lines to support a true republican with true moral values. Let’s hope. ;) |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dave Piazza
If Giuliani runs for president in 2008 you may see me cross party lines to support a true republican with true moral values. Let’s hope. ;) |
How moral can a guy be ing around on his wife? I like Guiliani too, but up to a point. |
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| Dave Piazza |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
How moral can a guy be ing around on his wife? I like Guiliani too, but up to a point. |
People make mistakes. We are sinners. My religion embraces forgivness. How about yours? :D
Agian his actions in regards to public policy is my main conern. In this area he is king. He transformed NYC for the better during his term. And he was a true leader during 9/11 and after. |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dave Piazza
People make mistakes. We are sinners. My religion embraces forgivness. How about yours? :D
Agian his actions in regards to public policy is my main conern. In this area he is king. He transformed NYC for the better during his term. And he was a true leader during 9/11 and after. |
Why won't you forgive George Bush, then? Isn't that a double-standard?
I'm all for forgiveness--I'm really just playing Devil's Advocate with the above comment.
For me, though, it's not so much about forgiveness as it is about bringing question to a person's overall character. I can forgive a mistake, but if I think a person is displaying poor character, I will be wary going forward. Fool me once... |
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| Dave Piazza |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
Why won't you forgive George Bush, then? Isn't that a double-standard?
I'm all for forgiveness--I'm really just playing Devil's Advocate with the above comment.
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I forgive Bush.
But I still believe this man should not lead the country. Leadership of the country requires skills Mr. Bush does not have. Skills and personal traits Mr. Giuliani does hold. Thus the reasoning for my choice |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dave Piazza
I forgive Bush.
But I still believe this man should not lead the country. Leadership of the country requires skills Mr. Bush does not have. Skills and personal traits Mr. Giuliani does hold. Thus the reasoning for my choice |
Guilliani thinks Bush can lead the country--I heard him say so on multiple occasions.;) |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
Why won't you forgive George Bush, then? Isn't that a double-standard? |
Hey, I'm all for forgiveness, but it's hard to forgive someone whom doesn't admit he's made any mistakes, isn't it?
| quote: | Originally posted by Dave Piazza
People make mistakes. We are sinners. My religion embraces forgivness. How about yours? |
Didn't know I had one. Didn't know I needed one to give forgiveness?
| quote: | | Agian his actions in regards to public policy is my main conern. In this area he is king. He transformed NYC for the better during his term. And he was a true leader during 9/11 and after. |
Well I think if we should play "devil's advocate" as Shakka has done, and we apply the same standards that the Conservatives gave towards Clinton and his private affairs, I see no reason why we cannot do the same for Guiliani and his marital affairs as well.
And what's more, we don't even have to spend $65 million of our taxpayers' money to do it! Ain't that grand? |
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| NYGblue |
Wow I guess the American Conservatives on this board actually have logical opinions. I guess some of the stuff you say is just to incite people?
Good stuff :thumbsup: |
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