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| tu_face |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dave Piazza
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I'll stop using it :D |
lol, good for you. a week or so more and it would have been rehab ;) |
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| BadBadNeil |
And now the Indians have settled for reclaiming some of their tribal land in court and are winning without bloodshed, and I know this because here they own two of the largest casinos on the planet on their reclaimed land and more groups are following. We covered this in more detail in the PF.
In response to Cyrus. No I don't think the Israelis should have right just because they were there first, but one has to realize too this isn't just any ordinary piece of land like anywhere else on the globe. This is the holiest place for 3 major religions and they all claim the land as theirs. The population in the area was NOT all palestinians before the 1940's. In fact there was a large portion of Jews and Christians living in the land before the 1900s. In fact leading up to the 1940's, Jews and Christians comprised nearly 40% of the total population in the area. After the war the immigration just increased dramatically. The territorial borders in the 1900's changed dramatically as the Ottoman empire was dissolved and countries where created so when you talk about this land being theirs, well in the sense that they lived there yes but it was controlled by so many rulers and empires until the mid 1900s that it really was no country.
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An Anglo-American commission of inquiry in 1945 and 1946 examined the status of Palestine. No official census figures were available, as no census had been conducted in Palestine in 1940, so all their surmises and figures are based on extrapolations and surmises. According to the report, at the end of 1946, 1,269,000 Arabs and 608,000 Jews resided within the borders of Mandate Palestine. Jews had purchased 6 to 8 percent of the total land area of Palestine. This was about 20% of the land that could be settled and cultivated. About 46% of the land belonged to Arab owners living on the land or absentee owners, and about the same amount was government land. The partition borders were drawn to give the Jews a majority within the allotted area of the Jewish state, but the land conquered during the fighting included the populous Arab areas of the Galilee, as well as Arab towns such as Lod and Ramla. Greater Jersusalem, which was to be internationalized, included about 100,000 Jews and a larger number of Arabs.
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| ::TranceVanDyk:: |
| the only thing thats going to bring peace is a miracle. nothing else. |
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| Dave Piazza |
| quote: | Originally posted by BadBadNeil
but one has to realize too this isn't just any ordinary piece of land like anywhere else on the globe. This is the holiest place for 3 major religions and they all claim the land as theirs. |
The message of Christ exists without temples, high priests, land or other symbols. This was the difference between the message of Christ and the teachings of the Jewish faith. Christians should see no value in the Middle East. For the faith is based on word of God and the action you take. This is the true beauty of the Christian faith; existing without dependency of others or things.
The New Testament can be found in your local library. I highly recommend you read through it for the writing does not lie. The message will be clear. |
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| ::TranceVanDyk:: |
| quote: | Originally posted by trewqy
What was first theirs??
What? When MOSES took his brigade and say "Hey, this is our land"??
There is no such thing as.. this land belongs to the jews.. or this land belongs to muslims or crap like that.
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the land of canaan, (israel) was the promised land that god promised the israelites coming out of egypt. so the land is theirs, period. and it will always be.
| quote: | Originally posted by Dave Piazza
Hate is the root of all evil. Learn to love and understand. This is the greatest achievement mankind can ever make.
I wish Jews would understand this. But than again they can't because this is the message of Christ |
actually, your wrong. hate is NOT the root of all evil. sin is. sin is disobidience to God. learning to love and understand is something many people can do, but not the entire mankind. and even those people who do love and understand fault themselves at times. |
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| tu_face |
| quote: | Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk::
the land of canaan, (israel) was the promised land that god promised the israelites coming out of egypt. so the land is theirs, period. and it will always be.
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unless of course you are a muslim, in which case god didn't tell the jews anything of the sort, hence the argument.
so no, not period.
yay for religion :rolleyes: |
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| BadBadNeil |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dave Piazza
The message of Christ exists without temples, high priests, land or other symbols. This was the difference between the message of Christ and the teachings of the Jewish faith. Christians should see no value in the Middle East. For the faith is based on word of God and the action you take. This is the true beauty of the Christian faith; existing without dependency of others or things.
The New Testament can be found in your local library. I highly recommend you read through it for the writing does not lie. The message will be clear. |
Please don't preach to me or berate me as if I don't understand the Christian faith. I grew up for 20 years as a Christian including 10 years in a catholic school including bible school. I have since moved away from the church as I prefer to interpret things in my own way.
Christians existing without temples, land, and symbols? Are you talking about the same Christian faith that I am? |
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| tribu |
| quote: | Originally posted by BadBadNeil
Please don't preach to me or berate me as if I don't understand the Christian faith. I grew up for 20 years as a Christian including 10 years in a catholic school including bible school. I have since moved away from the church as I prefer to interpret things in my own way.
Christians existing without temples, land, and symbols? Are you talking about the same Christian faith that I am? |
I believe he is contrasting the Christian message that Jesus preached with the current organization that is the Catholic Church. You must admit, there is a stark difference.
Edit: you dont have to admit there is a stark difference, but I believe you can prove it is so by referencing wealth/posession versus Jesus' teachings on material possesions. Bible and Catholic school is nice (I attended them myself), but I think you should allow that these institutions are biased towards their interpretation of the faith as well. |
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| ::TranceVanDyk:: |
| quote: | Originally posted by tu_face
unless of course you are a muslim, in which case god didn't tell the jews anything of the sort, hence the argument.
so no, not period.
yay for religion :rolleyes: |
what do u mean god didnt tell the jews anything of that sort?
Exodus 3:17
And I have promised to bring you up out of your misery in Egypt into the land of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites-a land flowing with milk and honey.'
Exodus 13:11
"After the LORD brings you into the land of the Canaanites and gives it to you, as he promised on oath to you and your forefathers,
Exodus 32:13
Remember your servants Abraham, Isaac and Israel, to whom you swore by your own self: 'I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and I will give your descendants all this land I promised them, and it will be their inheritance forever.' "
help me out with the last one. it says 'and it will be their inheritance forever. according to the bible, and the torah, the land of canaan is the jewish people's forever.
| quote: | Exactly, saying something should be some way because your god said it should be, dosnt mean their god (well in this case, the same god) said the same thing.
Christians, Jews, Muslims, all got it wrong, they all have the same god and yet it tells them diffrent things... wow gg! |
explain to me how we have the same god. the christian god is the god of abraham, isaac, and jacob who sent his son jesus to die for us. jesus said "nobody can come to the father except through me." mohammed cant bring me to the father. with jews, we do worship the same god, for abraham, isaac and jacob were jews, and so was jesus. but when jesus came, he preached he was the messiah, he even fulfilled all of the old testament prophecies about, which there are dozens, but the jews didnt believe it, and they still await the messiah today. |
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| tribu |
| quote: | Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk::
explain to me how we have the same god. the christian god is the god of abraham, isaac, and jacob who sent his son jesus to die for us. jesus said "nobody can come to the father except through me." mohammed cant bring me to the father. with jews, we do worship the same god, for abraham, isaac and jacob were jews, and so was jesus. but when jesus came, he preached he was the messiah, he even fulfilled all of the old testament prophecies about, which there are dozens, but the jews didnt believe it, and they still await the messiah today. |
Mohammed is a direct descendent of the son that Abraham had with his wife's servant (Haggar?). His name was Ishmael, and he is essentially where the split between the Jews and Muslims happened (If you fully believe in these histories). Thus, they both have a claim to the lineage of the chosen faith and the one "True God", whose name, incidentally, is so horrible, it can not be spoken by anyone under penalty of death. |
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| jonSun |
| This war will never end. The jews will take take take. While the Muslims in the middle east are gonna war with each other no matter what. In Iraq there are at least 3 major muslim clans & they all hate each other. Even the Turks hate the Kerds in the north. The Taliban hating Iran & Pakistan hating the Talibar. The Northern Alliance waring with the Taliban. The Saudi's hating Iraq & Iraq hating Kuwait. The only ones that seem to get along with every1 is Jordan & I may be wrong on that too. But they even kicked the PLO outa their country. |
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| ::TranceVanDyk:: |
| quote: | Originally posted by tribu
Mohammed is a direct descendent of the son that Abraham had with his wife's servant (Haggar?). His name was Ishmael, and he is essentially where the split between the Jews and Muslims happened (If you fully believe in these histories). Thus, they both have a claim to the lineage of the chosen faith and the one "True God", whose name, incidentally, is so horrible, it can not be spoken by anyone under penalty of death. |
false prophets prophecy about false gods, which according to my book, mohammed would classify as a false prophet. |
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