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OMG Andy you're gonna die if you 'do drugs'!!! (pg. 7)
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| DRM |
| quote: | Originally posted by moondog
thats well in funny mate :D....
but how did you manage to write while in the shower
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haha no idea, probably took the keyboard in there with me :crazy: |
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| *~*Angelblue*~* |
andy have a great time just take it in moderation and have a great ing time..too bad i couldn't be there..I always love being around people's 1st time :)
<3 LeeAnn |
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| kr00t0n |
| quote: | Originally posted by DRM
wow i can still type and work winamp!
Where the is my monkey???
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BWAHAHAHAHAHA :stongue: :stongue: |
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| tu_face |
| lmao, wicked mike :stongue: |
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| Misty Kitty |
lol
monkeys eh? |
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| Absolut_Vodka |
| AndskiSpeed, if John 00 Fleming ever stops by your area, you know its time to pop that pill... |
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| moondog |
| i'm deffo gonna make my own list next time i get caned :toothless |
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| Tranceman1982 |
I found some re-assuring quotes from this post:
‘it is probably less damaging to you than smoking’- key word being 'probably'
‘you do however need to look after yourself a bit more, i.e. making sure you drink enough/don't drink too much, or making sure you don't over-heat.’ - after all, pills are that safe you have to balance how much you drink all night
‘you are unlikely to die’ - not garaunteed
‘the education of the public via the government and media is disgusting propaganda.’ - its filthy not disgusting
’The effects of alcohol and nicotine/tobacco are infinitly worse than MDMA.’ One glass of wine is infinitely worse than one pill....
‘the fact that millions of pills get consumed EVERY WEEKEND in the UK says a lot. how often do you hear of someone dying from their use?’ Just cos millions of people do something doesn’t make it right… eg Nazi Germany, Rape, Paedophilia, and people watching Richard And Judy.
‘if you know someone who does them, get them to get the pills for you. always avoid buying from strangers.’ So they too become dealers.
‘Rememeber, you build up a tolerance to it very fast, so you're first roll will be your best.’ From there is it down-hill? After a year, how many do you have to take?
‘The days after I first popped, and I would hear trippy music, I would feel my heart start beating, and it wold make me slightly uncomfortable.’ A hang over is 'infinitely' worse than these side effects
‘Yeah totally anxiety attacks can be brought on from a series of things, stress, smoking and so on. Im not turning Anti-drug or anything but I know from me being me that my drug habbit played a big role in whats happening to me now.
I dont regret any of it.’ - I was worried then
‘Now i dont know what happens to people as a side effect of long term ecstasy usage, so cant really compare the two, but i wont even buy people cigarettes now if i go into a shop, beacuase of that.’- Sorry for your loss but surely taking an illegal untested substance is worse than a regulated legal substance?
Ps ‘"We are fighting not because we want or we like war. We are fighting because we want to live in peace. But we want to live in a just peace." - Yasser Arafat (1929 - 2004)’ + ‘Boycott Israel’ Why? He raised his society to hate Jews so that’s why there are all these dirty fighting suicide bombers who believe that by killing Jews they somehow achieve a higher spirituality. Israel, a democratic society, which is governed by good principles you want to ban? Palestine, like many other Arab regimes, is ruled more like a dictatorship than a democracy. |
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| Kinuvan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tranceman1982
I found some re-assuring quotes from this post:
‘it is probably less damaging to you than smoking’- key word being 'probably'
‘you do however need to look after yourself a bit more, i.e. making sure you drink enough/don't drink too much, or making sure you don't over-heat.’ - after all, pills are that safe you have to balance how much you drink all night
‘you are unlikely to die’ - not garaunteed
‘the education of the public via the government and media is disgusting propaganda.’ - its filthy not disgusting
’The effects of alcohol and nicotine/tobacco are infinitly worse than MDMA.’ One glass of wine is infinitely worse than one pill....
‘the fact that millions of pills get consumed EVERY WEEKEND in the UK says a lot. how often do you hear of someone dying from their use?’ Just cos millions of people do something doesn’t make it right… eg Nazi Germany, Rape, Paedophilia, and people watching Richard And Judy.
‘if you know someone who does them, get them to get the pills for you. always avoid buying from strangers.’ So they too become dealers.
‘Rememeber, you build up a tolerance to it very fast, so you're first roll will be your best.’ From there is it down-hill? After a year, how many do you have to take?
‘The days after I first popped, and I would hear trippy music, I would feel my heart start beating, and it wold make me slightly uncomfortable.’ A hang over is 'infinitely' worse than these side effects
‘Yeah totally anxiety attacks can be brought on from a series of things, stress, smoking and so on. Im not turning Anti-drug or anything but I know from me being me that my drug habbit played a big role in whats happening to me now.
I dont regret any of it.’ - I was worried then
‘Now i dont know what happens to people as a side effect of long term ecstasy usage, so cant really compare the two, but i wont even buy people cigarettes now if i go into a shop, beacuase of that.’- Sorry for your loss but surely taking an illegal untested substance is worse than a regulated legal substance?
Ps ‘"We are fighting not because we want or we like war. We are fighting because we want to live in peace. But we want to live in a just peace." - Yasser Arafat (1929 - 2004)’ + ‘Boycott Israel’ Why? He raised his society to hate Jews so that’s why there are all these dirty fighting suicide bombers who believe that by killing Jews they somehow achieve a higher spirituality. Israel, a democratic society, which is governed by good principles you want to ban? Palestine, like many other Arab regimes, is ruled more like a dictatorship than a democracy. |
well you're clearly very closeminded on the subject.
also i think it is incredibly nieve of you to downplay the dangers of smoking against Ecstacy use. Compared to Ecstacy tobacco really is the most horrendous + disgusting drug imaginable... 100k deaths a year in this country FACT. |
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| Tranceman1982 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kinuvan
well you're clearly very closeminded on the subject.
also i think it is incredibly nieve of you to downplay the dangers of smoking against Ecstacy use. Compared to Ecstacy tobacco really is the most horrendous + disgusting drug imaginable... 100k deaths a year in this country FACT. |
You're clearly very stubborn on the subject. All I have done is quoted from what other people have said on this board! (and add a little comment). Ill admit any day that smoking is harmful, costly and stinks but at least you know what you're getting into. Pills is a different matter. Smoking leads to a physical problems inc cancer and addiction but pills lead to mental addiction and other psychiatric problems as freely admitted by other people on this board.
It seems rather funny to call someone who points out the clear dangers of a dangerous, untested, and illegal drug closeminded.
ps maybe it is all propoganda, that pills dont have any side effects, so maybe they shouldnt be classified as a CLASS A DRUG |
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| dj_mdma |
a lot of things have been said have been taken out of context by tranceman1982.
I could also play the card that, Yes so many more people die from alcohol/tobacco use than Ecstasy use, but at the same time a lot more people smoke/drink than drop pills, even tho approx 120 million (conservative estimate) are dropped every 6 months.
?it is probably less damaging to you than smoking?- key word being 'probably' i could say that when you smoke, you are most likely to cause harm to others i.e thru passive smoking. The long term effects of MDMA may well not be known, but it has been around for the last 20 years. The effects of it will surface, but i don't think that people will have shortened life spans from using it, but instead their quality of life MAY decrease. Would you rather die an earlier painful death, or still be alive but be a bit more absent minded (yes i am throwing a fluffy view on it :p)
?you do however need to look after yourself a bit more, i.e. making sure you drink enough/don't drink too much, or making sure you don't over-heat.? - after all, pills are that safe you have to balance how much you drink all night when you get hot, and you will get hot in a club, you will drink water to cool down. Yes there have been some deaths due to dehydration, but remember that the act of drinking alcohol alone is dehydratory. About mixing E with alcohol, coke etc etc, if you push yourself, you may well come to harm. this is the case with alcohol, everyone knows that they shouldn't mix different types :toothless but generally, even if you weren't on a pill and you were in a club, the risk of dehydration is on a par. The risk of overheating is higher, but your body is still aware of this fact, and people do take a break!
?you are unlikely to die? - not garaunteed if we compare statistics, you are UNLIKELY to die. calculations show that number of deaths vs number of pills consumed by the population is extremely low. This statement is not meant to say that you WONT die from it, but that your chances are very low. This statement is on a par with saying you will win the lottery, it could happen. However, i will go further to say that if you take MDMA for the first time, and you don't suffer an adverse allergic reaction to it, then your chances from dying from it are significantly lowered. Any further chances of dying are due to external factors
?the education of the public via the government and media is disgusting propaganda.? - its filthy not disgusting filthy...disgusting...same difference :p
?The effects of alcohol and nicotine/tobacco are infinitly worse than MDMA.? One glass of wine is infinitely worse than one pill.... I was referring to the known chronic effects of alcohol/tobacco compared to what i believe will be the chronic effects of mdma. I will go on to say that i will be more knowlegeable on what i think may happen, than you, as i am studying pharmacology and physiology at degree level and we are covering this sort of stuff.
?the fact that millions of pills get consumed EVERY WEEKEND in the UK says a lot. how often do you hear of someone dying from their use?? Just cos millions of people do something doesn?t make it right? eg Nazi Germany, Rape, Paedophilia, and people watching Richard And Judy. This statement was NOT used as a statement as to what is right or wrong. It was used as a statement against the propagada that the government and media uses on the public. I.e "OMFG j00 will die from one pill!!11!!!" and the fact that millions of pills are consumed each weekend is a testament to the fact that the anti-drug parties are incorrect in making that assumption. We all know that doing E is illegal, but we are voluntarily doing it
?if you know someone who does them, get them to get the pills for you. always avoid buying from strangers.? So they too become dealers. that may well be the case, but they won't be a stranger, which was the point of the original statement
?Rememeber, you build up a tolerance to it very fast, so you're first roll will be your best.? From there is it down-hill? After a year, how many do you have to take? if you keep it in moderation, you can constantly have good rolls without the need for larger quantities of drug. It is up to the person taking it to enforce moderation. I can use alcohol as an example here. remmeber your heady teenage years from 16-19 where drinking was THE thing to do and you would binge constantly and as time passed you could handle more and more? But now that we are older and more mature we cut down and now we don't have to drink that much, to get pissed? This is probably the case with a lot of people, back when i was younger i could drink a hell of a lot more than i can now, but still be on the same level of drunkenness. Tolerance builds up to everything.
?The days after I first popped, and I would hear trippy music, I would feel my heart start beating, and it wold make me slightly uncomfortable.? A hang over is 'infinitely' worse than these side effects i dunno about this, i don't get palpitations listening to trance, unless its a wicked tune and i start dancing around lol. at the very least compare comedowns to hangovers as they are essentailly the same things. some people can deal with them better than others, some don't even suffer them (both hangovers OR comedowns)
?Yeah totally anxiety attacks can be brought on from a series of things, stress, smoking and so on. Im not turning Anti-drug or anything but I know from me being me that my drug habbit played a big role in whats happening to me now.
I dont regret any of it.? - I was worried then as the TSN group know chris relativelly well, and some more than others, we know that he used to cain it in the past. it is quite likely that drugs have played a part in shaping his persona today. but outside of that, there are other social problems that have also played a strong role in that. to totally blame his problems on drugs is to not exercise laterall and critical thinking
?Now i dont know what happens to people as a side effect of long term ecstasy usage, so cant really compare the two, but i wont even buy people cigarettes now if i go into a shop, beacuase of that.?- Sorry for your loss but surely taking an illegal untested substance is worse than a regulated legal substance? in some ways i agree, but in some ways i disagree. it is difficult to confirm what exactly is in a pill that you take, but it is up to an individual to decide if the effects they know, and the effects they think will happen are worse. It is a qualitative decision, that a lot of us are willing to risk
Ps ?"We are fighting not because we want or we like war. We are fighting because we want to live in peace. But we want to live in a just peace." - Yasser Arafat (1929 - 2004)? + ?Boycott Israel? Why? He raised his society to hate Jews so that?s why there are all these dirty fighting suicide bombers who believe that by killing Jews they somehow achieve a higher spirituality. Israel, a democratic society, which is governed by good principles you want to ban? Palestine, like many other Arab regimes, is ruled more like a dictatorship than a democracy. eh?
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| Tranceman1982 |
Originally posted by dj_mdma [/i]
a lot of things have been said have been taken out of context by tranceman1982. - I have taken them out of context to show how everyone here admits that there are serious faults with pills.
?it is probably less damaging to you than smoking?- key word being 'probably' i could say that when you smoke, you are most likely to cause harm to others i.e thru passive smoking. The long term effects of MDMA may well not be known, but it has been around for the last 20 years. The effects of it will surface, but i don't think that people will have shortened life spans from using it, but instead their quality of life MAY decrease. Would you rather die an earlier painful death, or still be alive but be a bit more absent minded (yes i am throwing a fluffy view on it :p) You're comparing cancer with dimentia?
?you do however need to look after yourself a bit more, i.e. making sure you drink enough/don't drink too much, or making sure you don't over-heat.? - after all, pills are that safe you have to balance how much you drink all night when you get hot, and you will get hot in a club, you will drink water to cool down. Yes there have been some deaths due to dehydration, but remember that the act of drinking alcohol alone is dehydratory. About mixing E with alcohol, coke etc etc, if you push yourself, you may well come to harm. this is the case with alcohol, everyone knows that they shouldn't mix different types :toothless but generally, even if you weren't on a pill and you were in a club, the risk of dehydration is on a par. The risk of overheating is higher, but your body is still aware of this fact, and people do take a break! Thats over simplyfing it a bit dont you think? With booze, its easy to balance, and if not done, you get a head ache, but with pills, the consequences are much worse.
?you are unlikely to die? - not garaunteed if we compare statistics, you are UNLIKELY to die. calculations show that number of deaths vs number of pills consumed by the population is extremely low. This statement is not meant to say that you WONT die from it, but that your chances are very low. This statement is on a par with saying you will win the lottery, it could happen. However, i will go further to say that if you take MDMA for the first time, and you don't suffer an adverse allergic reaction to it, then your chances from dying from it are significantly lowered. Any further chances of dying are due to external factors Missing the point. With one drink, you wont die. With one pill, you may.
?the education of the public via the government and media is disgusting propaganda.? - its filthy not disgusting filthy...disgusting...same difference :p uh.. yea?
?The effects of alcohol and nicotine/tobacco are infinitly worse than MDMA.? One glass of wine is infinitely worse than one pill.... I was referring to the known chronic effects of alcohol/tobacco compared to what i believe will be the chronic effects of mdma. I will go on to say that i will be more knowlegeable on what i think may happen, than you, as i am studying pharmacology and physiology at degree level and we are covering this sort of stuff. Are you studying the effects of MDMA compared with acl/smoking? Doubt it. You dont need a degree to know that, for example, over 6 month period of mild consumption, you are more likely to fuk yourself with pills than alcohol.
?the fact that millions of pills get consumed EVERY WEEKEND in the UK says a lot. how often do you hear of someone dying from their use?? Just cos millions of people do something doesn?t make it right? eg Nazi Germany, Rape, Paedophilia, and people watching Richard And Judy. This statement was NOT used as a statement as to what is right or wrong. It was used as a statement against the propagada that the government and media uses on the public. I.e "OMFG j00 will die from one pill!!11!!!" and the fact that millions of pills are consumed each weekend is a testament to the fact that the anti-drug parties are incorrect in making that assumption. We all know that doing E is illegal, but we are voluntarily doing it Then what is the reason for the groups trying to stop people taking pills if they're so safe?
?if you know someone who does them, get them to get the pills for you. always avoid buying from strangers.? So they too become dealers. that may well be the case, but they won't be a stranger, which was the point of the original statement Irrelevant of whether you know them or not, they are a dealer, and someone is still buying from the source. Its not like its SmithKline, its person making them and selling them on the streets.
?Rememeber, you build up a tolerance to it very fast, so you're first roll will be your best.? From there is it down-hill? After a year, how many do you have to take? if you keep it in moderation, you can constantly have good rolls without the need for larger quantities of drug. It is up to the person taking it to enforce moderation. I can use alcohol as an example here. remmeber your heady teenage years from 16-19 where drinking was THE thing to do and you would binge constantly and as time passed you could handle more and more? But now that we are older and more mature we cut down and now we don't have to drink that much, to get pissed? This is probably the case with a lot of people, back when i was younger i could drink a hell of a lot more than i can now, but still be on the same level of drunkenness. Tolerance builds up to everything. The liver can repair itself... but can the brain? No
?The days after I first popped, and I would hear trippy music, I would feel my heart start beating, and it wold make me slightly uncomfortable.? A hang over is 'infinitely' worse than these side effects i dunno about this, i don't get palpitations listening to trance, unless its a wicked tune and i start dancing around lol. at the very least compare comedowns to hangovers as they are essentailly the same things. some people can deal with them better than others, some don't even suffer them (both hangovers OR comedowns) This has kind of answer my point. You know how you will react to alcohol but you dont to pills.
?Yeah totally anxiety attacks can be brought on from a series of things, stress, smoking and so on. Im not turning Anti-drug or anything but I know from me being me that my drug habbit played a big role in whats happening to me now.
I dont regret any of it.? - I was worried then as the TSN group know chris relativelly well, and some more than others, we know that he used to cain it in the past. it is quite likely that drugs have played a part in shaping his persona today. but outside of that, there are other social problems that have also played a strong role in that. to totally blame his problems on drugs is to not exercise laterall and critical thinking But had he not taken the drugs, wouldnt his situation be a lot better???
?Now i dont know what happens to people as a side effect of long term ecstasy usage, so cant really compare the two, but i wont even buy people cigarettes now if i go into a shop, beacuase of that.?- Sorry for your loss but surely taking an illegal untested substance is worse than a regulated legal substance? in some ways i agree, but in some ways i disagree. it is difficult to confirm what exactly is in a pill that you take, but it is up to an individual to decide if the effects they know, and the effects they think will happen are worse. It is a qualitative decision, that a lot of us are willing to risk This implies that his father knew he would get cancer what he 1st started smoking because he knew the risks so this guy is just as bad.
Ps ?"We are fighting not because we want or we like war. We are fighting because we want to live in peace. But we want to live in a just peace." - Yasser Arafat (1929 - 2004)? + ?Boycott Israel? Why? He raised his society to hate Jews so that?s why there are all these dirty fighting suicide bombers who believe that by killing Jews they somehow achieve a higher spirituality. Israel, a democratic society, which is governed by good principles you want to ban? Palestine, like many other Arab regimes, is ruled more like a dictatorship than a democracy. eh? This lil paragraph is in response to one of the guy's signatures and avatars. For some reason he's against Israel.
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