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Toronto Board wants to keep race stats:
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| Jayx1 |
So let me see if i understand this correctly.
When the Police want to keep race stats to identify a problem to try and solve it it is wrong. However when the school board wants to do it in order to treat certain kids better and focus on them more its suddenly right?
What was that Diginut said about us being the land of "wanting it both ways?"
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| Matt |
| it doesn't sound like you are complaining about complainers here. |
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| Jayx1 |
| actually im all for keeping stats for the police. Its the complainers that stopped it from happening. Now im wondering why those same complainers are agreeing with the school board now. |
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| MarkT |
keeping stats, in and of itself, is not a bad thing at all...stats are stats...nothing more than factual numbers. The *idea* is too identify relevant trends and act accordingly to correct them if they're negative (eg. surveys show teens smoke more than adults, therefore you might target more anti-smoking resources at teens)
it's the idiots with access to those stats who are the problem...the ones who skew and misrepresent the results to suit their personal agenda. |
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| Jayx1 |
right but whats the explanation for being in support of one and not the other?
They want to help minorities by identifying a problem and trying to fix it in both cases. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
right but whats the explanation for being in support of one and not the other?
They want to help minorities by identifying a problem and trying to fix it in both cases. |
Because discrimination is okay if it's in favour of minorities. It says so right in our Charter of Rights! |
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| MarkT |
I agree...keep stats for both...why not?
(but they need to put some good checks in place to prevent those stats from being misused) |
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| mr. poopyhead |
keeping stats about race seems useless to me in both cases. i'm no sociologist or statstician, but i'm pretty sure these problems have nothing to do with race. probably more to do with economic and social conditions.
people from rough neighbourhoods tend to be involved in more crime and are worse off in school. there happens to be a lot of black people from poorer areas of the city, hence the idea that black people commit more crimes. i'm sure that if those same people got a chance to live and study elsewhere, they could be just as successful as anyone else. anyone from any race would face the same problems if they were raised in such conditions.
i'm just using blacks as an example because they seem to be at the center of the whole racial profiling thing. |
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| MarkT |
but that's the whole point...to FIGURE OUT if there is a correlation or trend present.
one stat is rarely used on it's own to "prove" anything..."race" should be nothing more than one factor in a more detailed analysis of whatever is being studied.
eg. for argument's sake, let's say that Icelandic people get arrested in 75% of overall arrests in a city, yet make up only 25% of the population.
the lunatic political idiot would say "therefore Icelandic people commit more crime"...when there could be a million other factors.
how can such a stat be deemed unnecessary or irrelevant if it's never really been measured??? |
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| Jayx1 |
I agree...
the fact that there are so many jamaican gangs in jamaica and the recent jamaican gang rival shootings in Toronto have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Even the prime minister of Jamaica admitted that they have exported their "problem" to Canada when fantino visited there to try and find ways to stop the problem. |
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| ShadoWolf |
| If blacks (edit: may as well throw Tamils in that group too) are embarrased about the crime stats, they should commit less crimes. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
If blacks (edit: may as well throw Tamils in that group too) are embarrased about the crime stats, they should commit less crimes. |
Now now thats a bit ignorant. The problem isnt their race per se but the cultural economic and social problems within some groups that cause these things to happen.
You see ive always been amused at how various groups are quick to identify themselves to tout their strengths but cry racism when the same happens in order to spot a weakness (and thus try to correct it) |
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