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| Jayx1 |
I find it interesting when i read all the reviews how much the local DJs dont even get a mention. Some people include them but many times they are omitted. Whether it's sean miller at boa, mark oliver at guv or anywhere else that brings in an international guest i never really get an idea as to how the local dj played. Whether you liked it or hated it, we want to know.
You want to know how to support local talent? Give it even half the hype that goes into the international guys and you'll be doing your share.
What's in it for you? Do you complain about ticket prices? Local DJs dont have to be flown in, limoed around, and put in 5 star hotels. They also usually respect their hometown enough to ask for a reasonable rate even when they do become international. In my opinion, there are several DJs in Toronto that meet or far exceed what we pay 10s of thousand of dollars to import. Time to start supporting them more. |
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| Matt |
I'm all for local talent!
and I agree, they deserve more attention, because Toronto is lucky enuf to have some great talent that quite often, will outplay the headliner. |
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| rabbitjoker |
When I go to a party, I will post a review of who I went there to see.
In no way should this be taken as disinterest in respect to the opener/closer/etc.
If opener/closer "catches my ear" I make note of it - but I usually stick to only reviewing the headliner (or otherwise, sometimes I don't go to see headliner) to keep things concise. |
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| boa-redux |
| Finally something I agree on with Jay. Mark Oliver whom I have known for 15 years is undoubtdly more deserving of praise than a lot of the Djs he opens for, manu of which have lost their passion and are merely showing up for the job. Same with Sean Miller who has eclipsed many of our headliners with his perfect opening sets. What is most remarkable about these two and many other locals is their humility and passion fot their trade. Sadly Toronto is still star struck demanding marquee names as a price for excitement!!! |
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| DigiNut |
What is the point of posting long and detailed reviews of events that happen every week?
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing but respect for the locals, but your criticism is ridiculous. After the 1P event (which I'm guessing you didn't go to because of your "grudge" against System), everybody posted reviews of our own boys that were up there in the booth. Are they international guests? No, but they were who we WENT TO SEE. And the events are unique, they happen maybe a couple of times a year.
This thread seems to be nothing but a re-hashed version of your non-stop barrage of attacks against any DJ with more than the tiniest hint of international acclaim. Look Jay, I know a lot of it is marketing, but there is a REASON why these guys have acclaim. Our locals are great, but there's a difference between going to a club and going to see an "event". "Events" are special appearances that don't happen very often. Clubs are open every week and the residents are there every week. There's a world of difference between being a local DJ that knows how to please his hometown crowd and being a superstar DJ that knows how to please ANY crowd - and if that superstar DJ does not know how to please the crowd, then it is something we want to hear about so we can ignore the hype next time!
I can't help but laugh when I see a thread reviewing a Mark Oliver resident night. Guess what folks - we KNOW how Mark Oliver plays. We've ALL seen Mark Oliver. We don't NEED to hear your personal feelings on how the night went. And that should by no means be taken as a sign of disrespect to MO - it simply means that the review is superfluous and essentially telling us what we already know. I'm not saying MO isn't good, just that he doesn't need reviews when he's already got a captive audience of several hundred people at least two nights of the week!
Just because it takes place at an EDM club and it's similar music to what the headliners play does not make it a "special event" and definitely does not mean it requires a review. If I hear something from a local DJ that is truly outstanding and I feel deserves mention, like when I mentioned Kenny Glasgow's set before Misstress Barbara, then I will write about it. I know exactly what YOU'RE shooting for Jay, and let me tell you, the last thing we need on this forum are hundreds of reviews of the most mundane nights at the most overrated club in North America.
But hey, as long as we're reviewing everything under the sun, does anybody want me to post a review of my latest Winamp playlist and the bagel I had for breakfast this morning? |
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| bARTovsky |
It ends up being 2 separate set of categories really. You have the international DJ, and then you have the local DJ. I'm not saying one is better than the other, but there is a different level of expectation from each one. It's kinda like that in other musical genres as well. You have Hawksley Workman, and then you have U2. They're both amazing IMO.. but theres a difference in the level of expectation we have for each.
Now obviously theres alot of factors that go into what we come to expect of them, like all the hype surrounding some DJ's and more publicity and blah blah blah... but thats just the way it goes
Having said that local talent like Mark Oliver has many a time eclipsed the main performer. Amazing work. |
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| Crazy Serb |
| Oh man, who in the world still posts party reviews...?! :rolleyes: :nervous: |
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| samhouse |
my reviews usually revolve the night as a whole...
i always mention the openers/closers cuz they are an essential part of the night....
no matter how well an international dj plays, there set is built up by the opener...if its a ty opening set, theres always that chance that the night couldve been just that lil bit better... |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Crazy Serb
Oh man, who in the world still posts party reviews...?! :rolleyes: :nervous: |
People who obviously aren't anywhere near as pimp as you are. Hey, don't you have a war to start or something? |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
What is the point of posting long and detailed reviews of events that happen every week?
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then what is the point of posting at all. Some nights with residents are better than others just the same as with guests.
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Don't get me wrong, I have nothing but respect for the locals, |
yet you tirade about why I'm being ridiculous?
| quote: | | After the 1P event (which I'm guessing you didn't go to because of your "grudge" against System), |
I don't have a grudge against system at all and even if i did it wouldnt even be 1/10 of the grudge you seem to have against Guvernment for example
| quote: | | This thread seems to be nothing but a re-hashed version of your non-stop barrage of attacks against any DJ with more than the tiniest hint of international acclaim. |
international or local i call them as i see them. If they are getting paid 50,000 for a set then they better damn well outshine the local opener or closer and rarely in my eyes do they do this.
| quote: | | Look Jay, I know a lot of it is marketing, but there is a REASON why these guys have acclaim. |
Exactly and you answered it yourself. Marketing. I happen to not buy into marketing.
| quote: | | Our locals are great, but there's a difference between going to a club and going to see an "event". "Events" are special appearances that don't happen very often. |
You are right. "events" cost more and have more people.
| quote: | | Clubs are open every week and the residents are there every week. There's a world of difference between being a local DJ that knows how to please his hometown crowd and being a superstar DJ that knows how to please ANY crowd - and if that superstar DJ does not know how to please the crowd, then it is something we want to hear about so we can ignore the hype next time! |
yes, the local doesnt act like a rock star and demand outrageous riders and fees.
| quote: | | I can't help but laugh when I see a thread reviewing a Mark Oliver resident night. |
but you have nothing but respect for local talent... right.
| quote: | | Guess what folks - we KNOW how Mark Oliver plays. We've ALL seen Mark Oliver. We don't NEED to hear your personal feelings on how the night went. |
He has better nights than others just like any DJ would. And sometimes the crowd is better than other nights. I personally dont care to hear people's personal feelings on tiesto every second but c'est la vie.
And that should by no means be taken as a sign of disrespect to MO - it simply means that the review is superfluous and essentially telling us what we already know. | quote: | | I'm not saying MO isn't good, just that he doesn't need reviews when he's already got a captive audience of several hundred people at least two nights of the week! |
several hundred people? I believe a "slow night" at Viva is 800 and a "slow" night at Guv is in the thousands.
| quote: | | Just because it takes place at an EDM club and it's similar music to what the headliners play does not make it a "special event" and definitely does not mean it requires a review. If I hear something from a local DJ that is truly outstanding and I feel deserves mention, like when I mentioned Kenny Glasgow's set before Misstress Barbara, then I will write about it. [quote} I know exactly what YOU'RE shooting for Jay, and let me tell you, the last thing we need on this forum are hundreds of reviews of the most mundane nights at the most overrated club in North America. |
was that just a local review? ahahah What am I shooting for? A little more respect for music for being music and less hype. Local DJs dont hire PR reps and get popular for playing great music. Let me also say that it used to be that we wanted international talent to come to bring fresh tunes but now all i hear is "wow he played such and such track thats 2 years old... he rules!"
| quote: | | But hey, as long as we're reviewing everything under the sun, does anybody want me to post a review the bagel I had for breakfast this morning? |
Im sure it will review itself in a few hours.... ahahaha
Let me end by saying that if you put all that flame effort that you just put into that letter into supporting your favourite local DJ then maybe we'd have a stronger scene and better resident nights. |
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| Jayx1 |
I have to add that it's pretty shameful that someone would get flamed for posting a thread asking for people to support their local DJ talent. No wonder the scene here is deteriorating so much.
Shame on you. |
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| Skipper |
I find the tribe board to be much more supportive of its DJs than this board - which is surprising, because here it is mainly trance fans and trance DJs, so I would think the support would be more pronounced.
Just an observation, I'm not saying one board is better than the other, before any of you jump on me for that... |
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