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| Rodrico |
| quote: | | Sure they would. Ever hear of Mcdonalds? |
Well, at a restaurant you're being waited on, as opposed to Macdonalds where you wait on the them. This is more the fault of the corporation that control these restaurants, but this is still a choice you make as you go to a restaurant, if you dont wanna tip, then go to a Quiznos or Macdonalds, I'm sure you can enjoy their AMAZING food and service everyday.
I always tip 10 to 15 precent, and if they really are good, I go to about 20 percent to even 25 percent.
| quote: | | Tell me how on earth somebody slinging beers should deserve to make more than someone with a degree who has to take care of little kids for example. |
A bartender does not make more than someone with a degree, not every bartender in the world makes 500 dollars a night. At best you get 500 a night, twice a week, maybe three if you work a good club, and even then to even land a job at such a great club, you need connections, and be really good looking to even be considered (this includes having great ). Also, its fallacious to talk about raising three kids because it has nothing to do with having a job, since when does having a degree have the requirement of having three children. Stupid.
Bartending isnt an easy job, and if you think it is, its because you obviously haven't been a bartender on a busy night at a good club. Its like any other normal job, that not every bartending position at every club is the same. You work a night life position that means you dont get to party on weekends or go out with anyone on these nights. Theres good reward to the job, but their tips relies on their speed, if they are slow = less customers = ty tips = alot less money.
If you dont wanna tip, then dont tip, no one forces you to tip. Just shrug off the comments, your all big boys and girls. If you cant handle what someone who slugs beers for a living has to say, perhaps you should go find yourself in a more suitable place for you to relax at like the Playland they supply at most Macdonalds, atleast you can find yourself with others of your level of your intelligence and maturity. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rodrico
Also, its fallacious to talk about raising three kids because it has nothing to do with having a job, since when does having a degree have the requirement of having three children. Stupid. |
It's called ECE and looking after other people's children and it starts at $26,000 a year. Also, just because you disagree with my opinion doesn't allow you to start calling names. That is a lack of education when it comes to debating a subject.
| quote: | | Bartending isnt an easy job, and if you think it is, its because you obviously haven't been a bartender on a busy night at a good club. |
Again show me a job thats easy. Please don't tell me that bartenders deserve more than $15 per hour (AT THE VERY MOST)
| quote: | | You work a night life position that means you dont get to party on weekends or go out with anyone on these nights. |
Boohoo, i bet there are a few thousand line workers making $10 on Saturday nights that live in your area that are shedding a tear for you as we speak.
| quote: | | Theres good reward to the job, but their tips relies on their speed, if they are slow = less customers = ty tips = alot less money. |
Most jobs offer the same type of reward. If you are slow you get fired.
| quote: | | If you dont wanna tip, then dont tip, no one forces you to tip. |
Wrong. The system here says that if we don't tip you don't get paid. The system needs to be changed.
| quote: | | Just shrug off the comments, your all big boys and girls. If you cant handle what someone who slugs beers for a living has to say, perhaps you should go find yourself in a more suitable place for you to relax at like the Playland they supply at most Macdonalds, atleast you can find yourself with others of your level of your intelligence and maturity. |
Right, so if we don't agree with your opinion we have the mental capacity of an 8 year old? Now THATS stupid. |
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| Crazy Serb |
| and Rodrico just got mentally assasinated by Jay... like an 8-year old. :D :D |
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| DigiNut |
Look, it's quite simple really:
You earn a wage. That is what you get paid for your job. When you chose to work as a waiter/waitress/bartender, you accepted those terms as part of your employment. If you think that tips are somehow associated with your job position, perhaps you should go over your contract again and try to find where it says that you are to be paid an extra 15% on top of every customer payment you collect - I guarantee you, you will not find that. I've talked to a few shot girls outside the clubs who admit they've actually inflated the price of the shots just to get that extra tip money - in my mind, those people should be fired on the spot.
If you serve 50 drinks an hour (common if you don't drag your ass, I'll bet the girl in System's front room can pull off at least 100), and everybody leaves just a 50c tip, you're making $25 an hour, CASH. The only people who make more money are contractors and really amazing salespeople that get paid on commission. Most bartenders don't even say "thank you" for a tip; to them, tips are supposed to be OUR way of thanking THEM, which makes no sense at all.
You think your job as a bartender is "hard?" Ask for a higher wage then. Or try working in RECEPTION or TECH SUPPORT. These people spend their entire days dealing with customers who are either rude, stupid, or already pissed off! They argue for 45 minutes with an idiot who hasn't paid their bill in 3 months and is trying to use the same excuse they used last month and the month before ("your grandmother died? Wow, you're the first person I've met with three grandmothers!"). They get paid - maybe $10 an hour. The benefits suck. And for the many corporations that have 24-hour help desks, some of these people have to work - you guessed it - ON SATURDAY NIGHTS!
I don't understand why the hospitality industry doesn't have to abide by the minimum wage, but that needs to change, STAT! It makes no sense that they're allowed to pay $3/hr and enforcing the law would instantly eliminate the "below minimum wage" excuse. |
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| DarkAngel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Sure they would. Ever hear of Mcdonalds? |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DarkAngel
:nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: |
scary but true. |
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| DarkAngel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
scary but true. |
Indeed. |
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| Crazy Serb |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Look, it's quite simple really:
You earn a wage. That is what you get paid for your job. When you chose to work as a waiter/waitress/bartender, you accepted those terms as part of your employment. If you think that tips are somehow associated with your job position, perhaps you should go over your contract again and try to find where it says that you are to be paid an extra 15% on top of every customer payment you collect - I guarantee you, you will not find that. I've talked to a few shot girls outside the clubs who admit they've actually inflated the price of the shots just to get that extra tip money - in my mind, those people should be fired on the spot.
If you serve 50 drinks an hour (common if you don't drag your ass, I'll bet the girl in System's front room can pull off at least 100), and everybody leaves just a 50c tip, you're making $25 an hour, CASH. The only people who make more money are contractors and really amazing salespeople that get paid on commission. Most bartenders don't even say "thank you" for a tip; to them, tips are supposed to be OUR way of thanking THEM, which makes no sense at all.
You think your job as a bartender is "hard?" Ask for a higher wage then. Or try working in RECEPTION or TECH SUPPORT. These people spend their entire days dealing with customers who are either rude, stupid, or already pissed off! They argue for 45 minutes with an idiot who hasn't paid their bill in 3 months and is trying to use the same excuse they used last month and the month before ("your grandmother died? Wow, you're the first person I've met with three grandmothers!"). They get paid - maybe $10 an hour. The benefits suck. And for the many corporations that have 24-hour help desks, some of these people have to work - you guessed it - ON SATURDAY NIGHTS!
I don't understand why the hospitality industry doesn't have to abide by the minimum wage, but that needs to change, STAT! It makes no sense that they're allowed to pay $3/hr and enforcing the law would instantly eliminate the "below minimum wage" excuse. |
exactly...
, try working for Toronto Sun... in the shipping/packaging shift every night, at their distribution facility downtown... for $7/hr. (i've done that loooooong time ago, and it is definitely not fun) There are plenty of people that have jobs like that, and they are not complaining. But god forbid the bartenders stand on their feet for a few hours, or someone not leaving tips for openning a beer bottle/can. Whoaaa....
(then again, i got my bartender's cert. just for that purpose - easy money!) |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Crazy Serb
exactly...
, try working for Toronto Sun... in the shipping/packaging shift every night, at their distribution facility downtown... for $7/hr. (i've done that loooooong time ago, and it is definitely not fun) There are plenty of people that have jobs like that, and they are not complaining. But god forbid the bartenders stand on their feet for a few hours, or someone not leaving tips for openning a beer bottle/can. Whoaaa....
(then again, i got my bartender's cert. just for that purpose - easy money!) |
Yeah hey if u can get a job bartending for that kind of money, go for it. But i still think its a stupid thing our society has created. |
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| DigiNut |
| I guess to make a long story short, there are a lot of jobs with backbreaking work and low pay. Tips are awards for people in the service industry who provide excellent service, not compensation for low wage like sales comission is. |
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| Rodrico |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
It's called ECE and looking after other people's children and it starts at $26,000 a year. Also, just because you disagree with my opinion doesn't allow you to start calling names. That is a lack of education when it comes to debating a subject. |
Ah, I misread it the first time. While I agree teachers get paid horrible money (which is unfair because its such a demanding and important job in this world), its also to no relevance to argue that teachers deserve to get paid more money while bartenders dont, there are so many cases where this applies to, but thats just how things are. Maybe you should begin to pay your children's teachers all the tip money you spend at the bar drinking instead of boowhoo'ing all across this board like an idiot. If you think I lack of education, I could really care less, because by reading your post its obvious that your education hasn't helped you in debating whatsoever.
| quote: | | Again show me a job thats easy. Please don't tell me that bartenders deserve more than $15 per hour (AT THE VERY MOST) |
But if you give waiters, waitresses and bartenders a base pay instead of the tip, you cant expect a few things. A) raise in alcohol and food sales to pay their salaries. B) you can expect a little bit slower service, and food to look worse because who gives a , you wont get a tip anymore right? At most restaurants, you wont make more than 15 to 18 dollars an hour as a waiter on a busy night unless your restaurant has more expensive food and a high class clientel, or you score some really good party tables with drinkers who are too drunk to care what tip they gave you. Normally I made about 11-13 dollars a night on normal days, or bad days you make 8 dollars or less for dead nights and you get a few tables that stray in . C) The tips made by servers also reflects the rest of the staff as a whole, because your suppose to work as a team to make customers feel good about choosing your establishment. From the busboys, to the dishwashers, to the cooks, and to the hosts who greet you at the front, they all get a chip of the servers/bartender's tips (depending on the restaurant), this is usually 10-15 percent of your tip money.
| quote: | | Boohoo, i bet there are a few thousand line workers making $10 on Saturday nights that live in your area that are shedding a tear for you as we speak. |
Yeah but you see, not all line workers have to work saturday nights in order to make the good part of their money, so taking off a saturday night usually means alot less money for the rest of the week for people in the food industry, so if you like money, work a saturday, garanteed money in your pocket for the week. I've worked the line's as well, and where I worked, i made 9 dollars an hour to do the same thing over and over again, which drove me insane. Some people can do it, which is great, considering its not a hard job as it is repetitive and boring. If you wanna compare both jobs, then work both and see which one is more demanding, as well as a line workers usually gets some sort of benefits and breaks and maybe a nifty union to save his ass from time to time. Waiters dont get any benefits, no union, or no timed breaks, hell at some places, your lucky you get a 15 mins break throughout your shift. If its busy, your working and thats it. On the nights your not busy, you make money, and get sent around to clean the restaurant and just be generally busy doing whatever needs to be done for a ty salary pay. Generally though, servers dont complain because they make good money when it is busy that they can survive. I do feel bad for those forced to work as line workers because they have a way worse job then waiters and waitresses, but were not here to compare which job is tier, I know people who are not a people person and would perfer working as a line worker than in a restaurant.
| quote: | | Most jobs offer the same type of reward. If you are slow you get fired. |
I dunno about you, but I take my sweet as time at some places I work at, and I remember still getting paid the same everyday (base pay makes people work with less incentive). I guess thats depending on the place you work at, most jobs have some security from being fired and waiter's sure as hell dont, if your slow you get money, or even then, your fired for sure if your that slow. So in the end, the reward comes from being fast to get more pay, if your slow, you wont be making 500 dollars a night anywhere you go. Its like a car salesman who makes 100k a year selling BMW's, or a house real estate agent, who manages to make 150k a year, WHAT?! thats unfair, he makes more money than a doctor does, and he didnt go to school for 8 years! I CRY BULL THAT THEY GET OVER PAID. Well, not every salesman or real estate agent makes that kinda money, and generally good salespeople make the big bucks, same applies to the food industry, good service=good money. The exception is Bartenders at nightclubs on a busy night, and only on a busy night.
| quote: | | Wrong. The system here says that if we don't tip you don't get paid. The system needs to be changed. |
Wrong, the system says that you should tip for these people to make money, I dont remember anywhere saying your FORCED to tip, i've had my share of people who didnt tip, its sucks and you move on, thankfully other people will tip who like you and you still make decent money in the end. Just think of it this way, either you pay a ten percent tip or imagine you will pay an extra 8-15 percent extra for what it costs to pay the servers, hosts, cooks, busboys, dishwaters anyway.
| quote: | | Right, so if we don't agree with your opinion we have the mental capacity of an 8 year old? Now THATS stupid. |
No, your just being a in twat who in cries about some snide bartender calling you cheap. OH NOES! the world is over for JAYX1. You see, I mostly agree with your bartending statement, but when it comes to serving at a restaurant, its such a different job and comes with a different pay in comparison to what a bartender usually makes at a nightclub. Bartenders do have it nice, and he shouldn't of said anything to you, if anything else, go to a different bartender instead. Not every bartender is the same, and for the most part, you can always pay for a lot of drinks, then pay the 10 percent tip there, the problem lies in when people always go to the bar for 1 drink, and are forced to pay the dollar tip usually. I always go up and buy a bunch of shots for the boys and girls in my group and pay the ten percent, which doesnt leave me shot handed in money at the end of the night or paying up to ten dollars a drink a night with tips (which is crazy), if everyone does this for their group and chips in once for each person, you end up paying awhole lot less in total for tips as a group.
In the end someone has to pay for the salary of these people, and it will be the customer in the end. So whether you want an increase in your food and drink prices, or have the choice to pay a good or bad waiter or bartender is up to you. Nightclubs rob people of money in drink sales, but thats unfortunately not the bartenders fault. In the end, bartenders have it good, waiters have it normal like everyone else, and usally work harder than bartenders on any busy night, so dont rag on a waiter for expecting a tip, especially for serving you for over an hour with drinks and food. The system works fine for waiters, its bartenders that get it fairly good from the system.
| quote: | | and Rodrico just got mentally assasinated by Jay... like an 8-year old. |
Now don't be so vindictive because I schooled you before and obviously lack the skills to argue with the rest of us adults. If I wanna hear some talk, I would rather fart all day then listen to the inane drivel you would prolly spew on any given subject that is discussed here. |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rodrico
But if you give waiters, waitresses and bartenders a base pay instead of the tip, you cant expect a few things. A) raise in alcohol and food sales to pay their salaries.[/b] |
Eh. Supply and demand usually works.
| quote: | | B) you can expect a little bit slower service, and food to look worse because who gives a , you wont get a tip anymore right? At most restaurants, you wont make more than 15 to 18 dollars an hour as a waiter on a busy night unless your restaurant has more expensive food and a high class clientel, or you score some really good party tables with drinkers who are too drunk to care what tip they gave you. |
I have a problem with that. See, when I do a job, I want to do a good job because I'm a professional. Not just because I get tips. Personal pride in work done IMO is lacking in society. (And damn all those lazy slugs)
| quote: | | C) The tips made by servers also reflects the rest of the staff as a whole, because your suppose to work as a team to make customers feel good about choosing your establishment. From the busboys, to the dishwashers, to the cooks, and to the hosts who greet you at the front, they all get a chip of the servers/bartender's tips (depending on the restaurant), this is usually 10-15 percent of your tip money. |
Again, needs more professionalism at workplace, not just for money. |
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