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| Rodrico |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
Eh. Supply and demand usually works.
I have a problem with that. See, when I do a job, I want to do a good job because I'm a professional. Not just because I get tips. Personal pride in work done IMO is lacking in society. (And damn all those lazy slugs)
Again, needs more professionalism at workplace, not just for money. |
I agree, and because everyone is not like you, we will always have those who are lazy and will take advantage of it. I usually work hard until I get tired of the job and wish to move onto something at a higher position or better pay, which is my goal for any job I work at. This is why you dont see people putting that extra love in that Big Mac like you see in the commercials. They dont really give a as long as its made and good enough to eat for the customer. |
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| Jayx1 |
Funny but ive been to many countries in the world where tipping is not customary (unless service is outstanding) and generally the service has been as good or better than what i receive here. At clubs i never had to wait long to get a drink and restaurant waiters still served in a curtious manner. I guess thats because if they didnt theyd get FIRED. Oh and the prices werent unreasonable either. I havnt been to australia but my friends tell me that the waiters there get paid much higher than here. Tipping isnt customary in oz either unless service is outstanding. Ive heard no reports of bad service and the meal is still relatively well priced. Tipping remains at the customers descretion.
I would argue that the expectation that a tip will always be left has driven many people to be mediocre in their job. They know that even if service is average at best it doesnt matter because the tip will still be there. I cant remember the last time i went to a restaurant in canada and left thinking "WOW what great service".
Rodrico, you need to check your work philosophy. If you need tips as an incentive to do a good job you wont survive long in the real world. And if I were your employer and you reflected that kind of attitude into your work you'd be out the door pretty fast. |
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| Crazy Serb |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rodrico
In the end someone has to pay for the salary of these people, and it will be the customer in the end. So whether you want an increase in your food and drink prices, or have the choice to pay a good or bad waiter or bartender is up to you. Nightclubs rob people of money in drink sales, but thats unfortunately not the bartenders fault. In the end, bartenders have it good, waiters have it normal like everyone else, and usally work harder than bartenders on any busy night, so dont rag on a waiter for expecting a tip, especially for serving you for over an hour with drinks and food. The system works fine for waiters, its bartenders that get it fairly good from the system.
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agreed to a certain extent. but why in the world would we see an increase in food/drink prices if we decide not to leave the tip? it's not the employees that dictate the prices!
restaurants are different story - a lot goes into making your food and serving it to you, so there's no excuse for not tipping there.
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Now don't be so vindictive because I schooled you before and obviously lack the skills to argue with the rest of us adults. If I wanna hear some talk, I would rather fart all day then listen to the inane drivel you would prolly spew on any given subject that is discussed here. |
excuse me, mr. adult... you can kiss my white baby ass! please school me on the internet, yes, please, do it... (get real, kid)
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Funny but ive been to many countries in the world where tipping is not customary (unless service is outstanding) and generally the service has been as good or better than what i receive here. At clubs i never had to wait long to get a drink and restaurant waiters still served in a curtious manner. I guess thats because if they didnt theyd get FIRED. Oh and the prices werent unreasonable either. I havnt been to australia but my friends tell me that the waiters there get paid much higher than here. Tipping isnt customary in oz either unless service is outstanding. Ive heard no reports of bad service and the meal is still relatively well priced. Tipping remains at the customers descretion.
I would argue that the expectation that a tip will always be left has driven many people to be mediocre in their job. They know that even if service is average at best it doesnt matter because the tip will still be there. I cant remember the last time i went to a restaurant in canada and left thinking "WOW what great service".
Rodrico, you need to check your work philosophy. If you need tips as an incentive to do a good job you wont survive long in the real world. And if I were your employer and you reflected that kind of attitude into your work you'd be out the door pretty fast. |
exactly... it seems that this is one of the rare countries where it is expected to get tips, even for mediocre effort. |
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| St_Andrew |
| so everyone who want to change this, stop tipping :D |
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| k0nk |
| quote: | | From the busboys, to the dishwashers, to the cooks, and to the hosts who greet you at the front, they all get a chip of the servers/bartender's tips (depending on the restaurant), this is usually 10-15 percent of your tip money. |
One more reason why tipping is flawed. I am tipping for service, not for food quality. My tip should go to you, not to the cooks, the dishwashers, or anyone else. If the food is crap, I expect you to give me some service and do something about it. If my dishes aren't clean, I expect you to give me some service and do something about it. However, the dishwasher is not giving me service, and therefore should not be receiving tips. (Coming from someone who has worked in a kitchen for 5+ years). |
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| Jayx1 |
| after this thread and some of the responses i have seen from people who work in this professional im reconsidering my tipping habits. If this is how people truely feel (refer to my original post about bartender prince and princesses) than they dont deserve a red cent. Work hard to impress ME the paying customer, NOT the other way around. |
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| Rodrico |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Funny but ive been to many countries in the world where tipping is not customary (unless service is outstanding) and generally the service has been as good or better than what i receive here. At clubs i never had to wait long to get a drink and restaurant waiters still served in a curtious manner. I guess thats because if they didnt theyd get FIRED. Oh and the prices werent unreasonable either. I havnt been to australia but my friends tell me that the waiters there get paid much higher than here. Tipping isnt customary in oz either unless service is outstanding. Ive heard no reports of bad service and the meal is still relatively well priced. Tipping remains at the customers descretion. |
Thats amazing for you, cause in all the foreign countries I've been to, I remember paying tips for my meals anywhere I went, cause its a nice thing to do for people who have to wait on you. If you dont feel so, then do what you want, its not forced, and your just crying because some people are bitching to you about not giving them money, while you bitch on this forum. Regardless of what you say, some way or another the customer will pay for the wages of these people. I bet you 100 bucks you paid them these people the exact service you got. Just like at any other place that gives you service, the more you pay people, the more likely you will get a better service for your money. Good service=Good money.
| quote: | | I would argue that the expectation that a tip will always be left has driven many people to be mediocre in their job. They know that even if service is average at best it doesnt matter because the tip will still be there. I cant remember the last time i went to a restaurant in canada and left thinking "WOW what great service". |
Thats great, but I cant argue personal experience. I've had some great servers that I've given good tips to, nothing more than 25 percent, as well as depending on how much I spent. Im not rich by any means.
| quote: | | Rodrico, you need to check your work philosophy. If you need tips as an incentive to do a good job you wont survive long in the real world. And if I were your employer and you reflected that kind of attitude into your work you'd be out the door pretty fast. |
Thats great, I better change my attitude now that you've scolded me on my work ethics. I guess I better think twice before I apply to Quiznos and enter the grand realm of fast food and begin the journey of becoming a maker of over-priced sandwhiches. I dont need tips to be an incentive to work as a waiter, I've worked as a waiter, and to say the least, people like you make me more than sick about wanting to work a job like that. Its dealing with people that is a bitch, I hate working with people who expect you to lay out the red carpet for them 8 hours a day. I wait on you to make sure your comfortable and have a good time eating there, im not there to in jump through hoops and juggle fire for your amusement, if you want that go to the circus. I bet all your employee's just love you Jay, cause your such a great boss, and all they prolly get for all their hard work, is a pat on the back and a great big thanks for their efforts to make YOU money. While they work for every little penny they get and do their job as their suppose to, while they work towards something more grand than making sandwhiches for a living.
Your problem is you think how everything should be, as opposed to how it really is. If you loved every ty job you've had, then you wouldnt of worked you way to where it is you are now. Some people are content with working their way to the top and others are just content with doing as they please. People who have poor work ethics work at poor ty ass jobs, I never met a CEO of a big company who was a lazy ass.
My work philosophy comes from loving what I do, once I dont love it, I move on and look for something I want to do. I'll work these ty jobs until I finish school for the job I really want and thats all there is to it.
Like I always say, just because I get paid , doesnt mean I get to be treated like . |
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| Jayx1 |
A couple of things:
#1 Im interested in which countries you have visited.
#2 Its funny how you question how i manage the store. Its quite simple. You dont do your job you get fired. You do a good job you get praise. You do an outstanding job and you get rewards. We have handed out quite a few free movie passes and roots gift certificates since we opened in july. On the same token we have also fired quite a few people. It has taken 6 months to get the staff we want and everything is working out quite well now.
My famous line to my staff "i can be your best friend or your worst enemy but that's up to you" |
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| milos |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rodrico
Like I always say, just because I get paid , doesnt mean I get to be treated like . |
you said it. you sacrificed the money for doing what you like, so all that complaining you did on the last 13412413 pages was unnecessary.
anyways, i'm gonna agree with jayx1 about how its different in other parts of the world.
people in north america are generally a lazy bunch, especially the younger population in the workforce. i think that's what it comes down to. whatever it is they do, if they are not professional about their work, they will do the bare minimum, meet the standards.. whatever it is to get paid. now take a server/bartenders job for example. most people working in this field do it as a thing a la side, not as a career. now at a lot of places it's a fixed wage + tips. it was up to you to choose a 7$/hr job + tips, so plz dont whine when you don't get tipped. the + tips is A BONUS and comes when you go BEYOND the regular service and treat the customer to something extra you can offer -- whether it be devoting more of your time to their table as a server, or keeping an eye out for the person when they come up to the bar and serving them first.. NOT uncapping a bottle of beer.
this thread makes me :mad: |
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| Rodrico |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
after this thread and some of the responses i have seen from people who work in this professional im reconsidering my tipping habits. If this is how people truely feel (refer to my original post about bartender prince and princesses) than they dont deserve a red cent. Work hard to impress ME the paying customer, NOT the other way around. |
Then dont tip, no one forces you to, just please, do us a favor and dont cry about what some 20-year old college student called you over a few crummy dollars on here and then everyone to agree on your radical changes to the food industry. If im a bad waiter, dont tip, I expect a bad tip for bad service, its how it works? but dont come on here saying that because I didnt remember you name entailed bad service. The system is somewhat flawed, but your system isnt all that great, you will still pay the same amount in the end. If you meal costs you 20 bucks, you pay 2 dollars tip, you think the restaurant wont charge you that to compensate for their increase in wages by 10 percent? They will, and you will get the same service you got as opposed to what you paid the 2 bucks for. Instead now, you will expect certain waiters to not give a as much as before. Money is money, it talks in this world, the more you have, the happier you are. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rodrico
Then dont tip, no one forces you to, just please, do us a favor and dont cry about what some 20-year old college student called you over a few crummy dollars on here and then everyone to agree on your radical changes to the food industry. |
Actually this is a culmination of knowing many bartenders and waiters and hearing the same old tired moaning combined with travelling to other places and seeing how it SHOULD be done
| quote: | | If im a bad waiter, dont tip, I expect a bad tip for bad service, its how it works? but dont come on here saying that because I didnt remember you name entailed bad service. |
Thats not what im talking about. Its more like enthusiasm, a smile, and a feeling of them being happy that you are there to pay their salary.
| quote: | | The system is somewhat flawed, but your system isnt all that great, you will still pay the same amount in the end. |
If bartenders are only making a few dollars more an hour instead of the 50 or 100 bucks they make in tip then how do we end up paying more in the end?
| quote: | | If you meal costs you 20 bucks, you pay 2 dollars tip, you think the restaurant wont charge you that to compensate for their increase in wages by 10 percent? They will, and you will get the same service you got as opposed to what you paid the 2 bucks for. |
No because now the waiter will have to work extra hard to get a tip since tipping would be not an expectation for average service.
| quote: | | Instead now, you will expect certain waiters to not give a as much as before. |
No, because if that happened id expect them to be fired. I hate to say it but bartenders and waiters are a dime a dozen and if you dont want to work there are thousands of others out there that would be happy to do it for the same money or less.
| quote: | | Money is money, it talks in this world, the more you have, the happier you are. |
And it's this exact philosphy that is the reason why Canadians and Americans are so miserable while you see smiles on the faces of some of the poorest people in the world. |
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| Rodrico |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
A couple of things:
#1 Im interested in which countries you have visited.
#2 Its funny how you question how i manage the store. Its quite simple. You dont do your job you get fired. You do a good job you get praise. You do an outstanding job and you get rewards. We have handed out quite a few free movie passes and roots gift certificates since we opened in july. On the same token we have also fired quite a few people. It has taken 6 months to get the staff we want and everything is working out quite well now.
My famous line to my staff "i can be your best friend or your worst enemy but that's up to you" |
This is my last post for a bit, so sorry for no responses after this.
I've gone on multiple trips to United States, Mexico, Chile, Argentina, a brief stay at Brazil, Spain, France, Germany, Sweden (i'll just say all Scandanavian countries as I've visited Sweden more than six times and I biefly visited another country while staying with family). I just tip because its a nice thing to do for people who wait on you, it makes their day a bit nicer, as they taken the time to serve you for an hour of their day and make sure your comfortable and having a good time. If you dont wanna tip, then dont, I'm just telling you from the view of a waiter why its the way it is and its not by anyones fault except the restaurants. We choose the job, and you choose the restaurant, if you dont like it, then dont go, there are plenty of viable options to eat in this world. I dont see how anyone is more right, we both have opinions on it and im just sharing mine and my view on it, if you cant handle it then ignore it. Once you become a waiter, you realize its not as good as it seems. I would never go back unless I went to work at a good restaurant with good clientel and good staff, not these ty ass places that drive in idiots like woodwork (cheaper restaurants that the every day person goes to) but what can you expect, normal people expect to be treated like kings and queens when they shed one or two bucks, you want great service, go to really good restaurants that charge over priced food and over priced service, you can expect the red carpet there, cause thats what they cater to.
I would really like it if everyone stopped generalizing the work a waiter does in comparison to a bartender. When you wait on somebody, your on their call, making their life comfortable, what the does everyone expect, a blowjob and a shoe shine for 10 percent tip? you want me to dance for you, is that it? Im serving you drinks and food, and making sure everything and in good order, hot and quick, and when im in a good mood and not running around with a chicken with its head cut off, ill talk to you personally for an extended amount of time and try to make you smile or laugh. Its a busy job on most busy nights, staying around talking for five minutes means someone else isnt getting your service fro five minutes, so whether you pay me more, they will pay me less. |
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