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| beats and beeps |
Selling out is what happens the minute you make any amount of money from what you do.
It really doesnt matter if you make millions or hundreds, just the ones who make millions are better sellouts. |
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| Radagast |
| So a guy who works the counter at McDonalds is a sellout? He makes an amount of money. |
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| beats and beeps |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
So a guy who works the counter at McDonalds is a sellout? He makes an amount of money. |
I guess if you want to be like that, when I said "what you do" I was referring to artists, as they are the people who are usually accused of being a sellout. |
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| Radagast |
| Oh...did Oliver Lieb sell out? Or was it Juan Atkins? I'm pretty sure those guys are set for life. |
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| ZxZDeViLZxZ |
| umm no selling out means that youve blatantly changed your style simple to get finacial gain..... selling out has nothign to dow tih the amount of money it ahs to do with the route in which your going about getting the money |
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| beats and beeps |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
Oh...did Oliver Lieb sell out? Or was it Juan Atkins? I'm pretty sure those guys are set for life. |
Yes, you dont have to agree with what I say, infact I'm sure you would be dissapointed if you ever did agree with something I say.
I don't like the use of the phrase selling out. If someone records some albums, and they get a small fanbase they are not accused of anything, but once the band starts making millions all of those fans start saying "ohhh you sold out after this album" why should a band be accused of selling out if they are successful?
Now alot of people might say no, no, I dont think selling out is being famous, its only when they bla bla bla bla bla. No matter what it all comes down to the same thing.
So I whenever anybody calls someone a sellout I just say that anyone who makes money, from making music is a sellout. The only difference is that some people are more successful at selling out. Of course this is a somewhat stupid thing to say, because you can argue that there are artists that only do what they love, and dont turn down money if it just happens to come their way, but it really doesnt matter. I dont like the way people use the word sellout, because its usually used when an artist changes their style, and it appeals to the masses, and as a result they become very successful. Then the people who liked them before when they were unsuccessful, and playing a different style start going "ohhh you sold out"
No matter what, when someone goes to record an album, I beleive they are doing it to make money. So ing what if you like them when they are small? How do you know in the back of their mind they arent just trying to play what will get them rich, but instead they are just failing at it. Once they finally do succeed in making more people appreciate their music, which as a result gives them more money. You say they sold out? No, they just made a good decision, you were just listening to them while they were still experimenting, and trying to figure out what they need to do to hit that chord in society that makes you accuse them of being sellouts. |
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| SPANIARD |
| There is finally a decent, thinking type topic in the music discussion forum:cool: |
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| Radagast |
In music, selling out is increase of monetary income resulting from the decrease of quality.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sell_out
| quote: | | the compromising of one's integrity in exchange for money or other personal gain. |
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| beats and beeps |
It is not possible to make more money by making poorer music. Who is to say that the music is worse? Thats personal opinion.
If anything you could say the more popular the music is the better the quality is, because music is generally made to appeal to people, so the more people it appeals to the better the quality is.
Personal Integrity is bull, if youre an artist making money. If they make the choice to do what you would call selling out, all they are doing is making music that will please the masses. Thats what they are trying to do then, and thats what they are doing, I don't see how that makes them lose their integrity, they are just being a successful artist. You might not like the music, I might not like it, but millions more like it than before, so its probably better, just not my taste. |
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| CunningLinguist |
Success doesn’t necessarily imply one is "selling out". There are many musical artists who have stayed true to their genre.
Yet there is a fine line between selling out and experimentation. The whims of the fans seem almost paradoxical. On the one hand if an artist keeps doing the same thing the fanbase loses interest they feel the artist is doing "more of the same". Yet if an artist dips into a different genre (ex. Say a trance producer starts making house, hip-hop or jazz) the fans cry he/she is "selling out". |
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by beats and beeps
It is not possible to make more money by making poorer music. Who is to say that the music is worse? Thats personal opinion.
If anything you could say the more popular the music is the better the quality is, because music is generally made to appeal to people, so the more people it appeals to the better the quality is. |
Quality is not personal opinion. It is possible for one to detect the worth and value of a given music.
Other than that, the popularity of a track has no direct bearing on its quality. There is high quality popular music and low quality popular music. We're dealing with the definition of "sell out" here, however. And the definition of a sell out is as I stated above. |
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| beats and beeps |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
Quality is not personal opinion. It is possible for one to detect the worth and value of a given music.
Other than that, the popularity of a track has no bearing on its quality. There is high quality popular music and low quality popular music. We're dealing with the definition of "sell out" here, however. And the definition of a sell out is as I stated above. |
I met a boy wearing Vans, 501s, and a
Dope Beastie t, nipple rings, and
New tattoos that claimed that he
Was OGT,
Back in '92,
From the first EP
And in between
Sips of Coke
He told me that
He thought
We were sellin' out,
Layin' down,
Suckin' up
To the man
Well now I've got some
Advice for you, little buddy
Before you point the finger
You should know that
I'm the man,
And if I'm the man,
Then you're the man, and
He's the man as well so you can
Point that in' finger up your ass
All you know about me is what I've sold you,
Dumb
I sold out long before you ever heard my name
I sold my soul to make a record,
Dip ,
And you bought one
So I've got some
Advice for you, little buddy
Before you point your finger
You should know that
I'm the man,
If I'm the in' man
Then you're the in' man as well
So you can
Point that in' finger up your ass
All you know about me is what I've sold you,
Dumb
I sold out long before you ever heard my name
I sold my soul to make a record,
Dip ,
And you bought one
All you read and
Wear or see and
Hear on TV
Is a product
Begging for your
Fatass dirty
Dollar
So...Shut up and
Buy my new record
Send more money
you, buddy |
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