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| Thriller |
| quote: | Originally posted by Thriller
After reading numerous threads about DJ's going 'too big' or selling out by doing something 'not true to the music'. It got me wondering what is the true definition of selling out? I mean yah everyone wants to get paid, since DJ equipment so expensive, but what happens when that bedroom DJ comes to the fork in the road of getting a residency at a great club or just doing smaller gigs? After a while you have to eventually go on to better and bigger things, I mean I know it's 2005 and we still have Amish people in Pennsylvania using horse buggies to get around lol. Over time all the big names will drop off either because they are getting tired of the business or want to retire for the rest of their life, which means the new wave of DJ's. Most of the 'Celebrity DJ's' are in their late 20's to late 30's. What do you all think about this subject? |
So I put this in the wrong thread and I hope this is the right spot for it lol. |
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| Spacey Orange |
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i get the impression that some people interpret 'success' as 'selling out' even when the djs don't change their styles too much.
on the other hand, if their success causes them to change dramatically for commercial reasons(a la money) then its selling out.:D |
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| Thriller |
| Yah that's true so has Tiesto sold out even though his style has basically been the same, get the crowd involved? I mean who puts on 8 hour shows back to back?? If i had that much music i would be in Heaven! |
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| eRRaTiK |
*awaits tiesto bashing*
ok i'll start.
before he was "No 1 dj 3 years in a row" (as was announced in his intro for the last sell-out event TIC) he produced tracks that pushed the scene, albums that lifted the standard (magik & isos series), and was a leader and inspiration for many.
His latest releases seem to be more about quantity rather than quality. ie. $$$
what i would like to see is tiesto pushing up & coming djs ie. the djs of tomorrow & giving back to the community that helped get him to where he is today. |
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| Geoff |
| quote: | Originally posted by eRRaTiK
His latest releases seem to be more about quantity rather than quality. ie. $$$ |
uh yea parade of athletes... wtf |
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| RebeL9 |
| quote: | Originally posted by eRRaTiK
*awaits tiesto bashing*
ok i'll start.
before he was "No 1 dj 3 years in a row" (as was announced in his intro for the last sell-out event TIC) he produced tracks that pushed the scene, albums that lifted the standard (magik & isos series), and was a leader and inspiration for many.
His latest releases seem to be more about quantity rather than quality. ie. $$$ |
I totally agree.
just compare his Olympic CD with his Magik stuff. the difference is like heaven and earth |
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| darkace |
| Success is not selling out. Changing your style to appeal to the masses in order to achieve success IS. |
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| memusa |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spacey Orange
i get the impression that some people interpret 'success' as 'selling out' even when the djs don't change their styles too much.
on the other hand, if their success causes them to change dramatically for commercial reasons(a la money) then its selling out.:D |
I like your view on this. I, for instance can understand why people say Tiesto is a sell out because I also find his latest releases a milestone away from what he did pre-2002.
Still, there are a bunch of popular DJs that get bashed in this forum even though they play exactly the same as they did in the past. Armin is the best example here.
It really makes me mad that whenever something becomes popular, people are all over it like a pitbull on a poodle. Judge, Listen, Compare...then critisize. |
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| SPANIARD |
I agree with Darkrace on this one, he summed it up best. The best example of that is Paul Oakenfold. If anyone said a Justin timberlake song would be on one of his compilations back in 2000, people would be tripping.
At least with Tiesto I can say he still plays relativly the same genre every night,even though it might be repetitive. I don't see any harm in that, I mean you go to a Metalica concert and you still here Enter Sandman,right? I think more of the anger pointed at Tiesto are the one's (i.e. people with an idea of the music) that can't stand people who don't know anything about electronic music, commercialising him by saying he's the best because he plays at the biggest clubs amd that's really the only way they know him. |
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| Thriller |
| quote: | Originally posted by SPANIARD
I agree with Darkrace on this one, he summed it up best. The best example of that is Paul Oakenfold. If anyone said a Justin timberlake song would be on one of his compilations back in 2000, people would be tripping.
At least with Tiesto I can say he still plays relativly the same genre every night,even though it might be repetitive. I don't see any harm in that, I mean you go to a Metalica concert and you still here Enter Sandman,right? I think more of the anger pointed at Tiesto are the one's (i.e. people with an idea of the music) that can't stand people who don't know anything about electronic music, commercialising him by saying he's the best because he plays at the biggest clubs amd that's really the only way they know him. |
I haven't heard any of Tiesto's live sets so I don't really know how he is as a DJ. So do you think Brittney Spears, Missy Elliot, Justin Timberlake, Jennifer Lopez, Puff 'P. Diddy' Daddy and many more are sell outs because they allowed trance remixes or produced songs that are totally out of their genre? Honestly I hate the 'Let's get ill' song, it's so stupid and when he preformed it nobody was into it. The Deep Dish Remix of Like I love you was pretty sick though. Has Tiesto raised the bar too high will all of his 5+ hour sets he throws down?? |
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| SPANIARD |
| quote: | Originally posted by Thriller
I haven't heard any of Tiesto's live sets so I don't really know how he is as a DJ. So do you think Brittney Spears, Missy Elliot, Justin Timberlake, Jennifer Lopez, Puff 'P. Diddy' Daddy and many more are sell outs because they allowed trance remixes or produced songs that are totally out of their genre? Honestly I hate the 'Let's get ill' song, it's so stupid and when he preformed it nobody was into it. The Deep Dish Remix of Like I love you was pretty sick though. Has Tiesto raised the bar too high will all of his 5+ hour sets he throws down?? |
You've said alot of things but you've arranged it horribly. My point about the 'Justin Timberlake' song was that it's not about the actual song, it's about the attention it would get because Justin timberlake is a mainstream icon which in principle equals record sales.
About Tiesto. I don't think if you have listened to Tiesto that you can ask if 5+ hour sets are too long. DJ's like Danny Tenaglia have made a reputation by putting on that number of hours or more and knowone seems to be complaining. Tiesto has never been booed off anywhere, so I guess if he keeps selling out and the people aren't complaining we should be happy for him. |
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| ZxZDeViLZxZ |
| my problem with armin is he plays horse tracks on asot... not on asot and not going to be broadcasted sets and in person club type he can put on a ing amazing show. same thing with tiesto ive seen tiesto do a wonderfull ing set with insane track selection and top mixing but then ive heard his live sets at massive events that suck more then a 2dolla crackwhore..... now about selling out honestly airbase has sold out. he blantantly said hes switching genres to a more commercialised genre with more vocals.... which means hes looking for more rekkord sells.... i think selling out is great aslong as you still put out quality tracks and dont be a ing whos too busy to make a decent en track once in a while... but hey it id do the same ing thing id put my en dick in every genre i could... might as well exploit a market... its the american way exploit every market known to man so when your 40 you can have a 20,000sqft house on a 400acre lot and a 20foot high electrifide fence... |
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