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great new vocal dance trance tunes. (pg. 2)
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
It really is a pop song with a beat behind it. |
Oh yeah? I agree. Along with every other epic trance track. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
Oh yeah? I agree. Along with every other epic trance track. |
A good 50% of epic trance is instrumental, ruling it out from being pop music. Another 20% would stand up on its own as instrumental music. Then there's 30% which is just a feel-good vocal blabbering about sunsets and love to an incredibly weak instrumental backing. |
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| DickieThijssen |
| lol @ sunsets |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by D.Edge
what about the instrumentals which have had naff vocals tacked onto them in the name of "gaining a wider audience"? wouldn't they inadvertantly become pop, or would they have already been pop enough to begin with? |
They fall under the "stand up as instrumentals" because the vocal version is almost invariably crap, and were never intended to have vocals in them. |
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
A good 50% of epic trance is instrumental, ruling it out from being pop music. |
Instrumental pop music, pop music, what's the difference. Vocals are the difference between trance and pop music? What? No, minus the vocals, the track is epic trance. So non vocal epic trance = instrumental pop music. Sandstorm is not pop? Chldren is not pop? Pop = Popular music.
| quote: | | Then there's 30% which is just a feel-good vocal blabbering about sunsets and love to an incredibly weak instrumental backing. |
Now the content of the lyrics is what makes pop music? And because the backing is maybe bad epic trance, it's different than other epic trance? HELLO? What are you talking about? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
Instrumental pop music, pop music, what's the difference. Vocals are the difference between trance and pop music? What? No, minus the vocals, the track is epic trance. So non vocal epic trance = instrumental pop music. Sandstorm is not pop? Chldren is not pop? Pop = Popular music.
Now the content of the lyrics is what makes pop music? And because the backing is maybe bad epic trance, it's different than other epic trance? HELLO? What are you talking about? |
Pop music is one particular style of music. Pop= the most popular style of music at the time. And in modern music, pop has never been instrumental. Pop is vocal-centric. Pop is pop because people like singing along to it. Any music that puts vocals and lyrical content above musical content can be considered pop music, whether it's "with a beat", "with guitars" or "with a Scottish bag-pipe section".
Epic trance is obviously not pop, the very things that define epic trance prevent it from being pop. Thus I dismiss ATRC as pop. To me it isn't epic trance.
Now I await your bull synopsis of epic trance involving the words "supersaws", "melodies" and "accessible". None of which will ever, in a million years, make epic trance pop music. |
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| Ory |
| It doesn't have to have vocals. It can just be a catchy melody that sticks in your head for weeks; a melody most can easily recognize. The vocals just enhance this. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ory
It doesn't have to have vocals. It can just be a catchy melody that sticks in your head for weeks; a melody most can easily recognize. The vocals just enhance this. |
A catchy melody does not make anything pop. What kind of ing stupid statement is that? |
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| Ory |
| Why not? If alot of people know the melody by heart, it's popular. Pop music. |
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Pop music is one particular style of music. Pop= the most popular style of music at the time. And in modern music, pop has never been instrumental. Pop is vocal-centric. Pop is pop because people like singing along to it. Any music that puts vocals and lyrical content above musical content can be considered pop music, whether it's "with a beat", "with guitars" or "with a Scottish bag-pipe section".
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No, pop music = popular music. Music that has entered popular culture through radio for example. Music intended for mass consumption. Music that caters to a broad audience. Music with chorus easily memorable melodies/vocals. Melodies and vocals that you can hum and sing. That get stuck in your head. Easily accessible music. Music you hear on the radio. Music you see on MTV or other music video channels.
Not all pop music has vocals, and not all music with vocals is pop.
| quote: | | Epic trance is obviously not pop, the very things that define epic trance prevent it from being pop. Thus I dismiss ATRC as pop. To me it isn't epic trance. |
Well it's a classic epic trance track, regardless of what it is to you. Vocals don't define epic trance. Structurally the track is epic trance.
| quote: | | Now I await your bull synopsis of epic trance involving the words "supersaws", "melodies" and "accessible". None of which will ever, in a million years, make epic trance pop music. |
No, the fact that you see an epic trance track regularly on european top 20 dance charts makes it pop music. The fact that several have made it in to widespread play in almost every country including america makes it pop music. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
No, the fact that you see an epic trance track regularly on european top 20 dance charts makes it pop music. The fact that several have made it in to widespread play in almost every country including america makes it pop music. |
Wow, the top 20 dance charts? Holy Batman, we have trance in the dance charts? You think you're precious classic trance never topped a dance chart? Several track have made it to widespread play, you say? That must be half a dozen tracks out of several thousands over 9 years. ing hell, it puts Britney and Madonna in the shade, don't it?
I live in Britain, which is the country where EDM has the highest profile anywhere in the world. In a year where dance music spent 10 weeks at number one and we had Top 10 albums by The Prodigy, Fatboy Slim, Faithless and Groove Armada, epic trance barely made a dent on the radio or TV.
Say what you like, music does not become pop just because it appears on MTV. There is a distinctive genre of music that is only definable by the term "pop". That is pop music. Anything else is not pop music. It is as simple as that, and your mardy elitist rants to the contrary are wrong. |
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