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has trance lost its touch? (pg. 5)
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| beats and beeps |
Ehh, he is good at mixing, and everything, it just bothers me how people think he is some underground prodigy, and that they are so deep into electronic music for liking him. He is great sure, he is a great mainstream dj...you arent 1337 and underground, you are not superior to tiesto fans.
Plus I hate it when people go like OMG HE HAS WICKED MAD SCRATCHIN SKILLZ. They obviously dont even know what scratching is. |
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| n0bben |
| quote: | Originally posted by beats and beeps
Plus I hate it when people go like OMG HE HAS WICKED MAD SCRATCHIN SKILLZ. They obviously dont even know what scratching is. |
true
plus, he looks like a faget :p |
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| Ory |
| quote: | Originally posted by n0bben
true
plus, he looks like a faget :p |
Don't say that about him. :mad: He's cute. :( |
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| Jake Conlon |
| quote: | Originally posted by beats and beeps
Plus I hate it when people go like OMG HE HAS WICKED MAD SCRATCHIN SKILLZ. They obviously dont even know what scratching is. |
O so true.
for some brilliant scratchin watch this video of dj craze doin his thing.
http://earwaks.com/music/4/
(once on site click on check out this video) |
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| beats and beeps |
| quote: | Originally posted by n0bben
plus, he looks like a faget :p |
Nah, he looks good.
I only say that because the owner of the record shop in my town always says I look like him...
I dont though, I just have long blonde hair, but thats enough for him apparantly.
Pff...I was doing that hairstyle way before he was known. |
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| Cobalt |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ian^
Yes. why ?
Too many producers are using software synths that every man and his dog (who knows how to crack reason or cubase) can get their hands on. They are then taking these sounds and remaking classic tracks with them. In history this has been done but the main tracks which did it, age of love, cafe del mar etc, the remakes always were done by skilled pro's who offered a new take on the track, oliver lieb, j00f, pvd etc etc.
Now there is a lack of inspiration in artists to make good new trance, it's mainly supersaw hell, people aren't even looking back past 2000 to see what tracks were like, they should go find stuff by dance2trance, cosmic baby, komakino, oliver lieb etc etc to see how things used to be, and how trance can work in a simple but aurally arousing way.
There are people pushing good sounds atm, as has been said before like J00F, but the problem is even what Armin said once "i dont feel obliged to make new songs cos people just download so i'll just rework a classic" Or words to that effect. that is NOT the answer, and is exactly what will get us in a mess. The reason a lot of us bash armin etc now is cos he's lazy, he's too busy looking for superstar status in USA and worldwide than producing stuff like under his Rising Star alias (Startheme and Clear Blue Moon) for example being amazing and not simple.
It's like going to say a bakery and finding out that someone has got bored so changed the recipe to your favourite indulgence, like a kick in the teeth.
Sure sounds need to progress, but american progressive (or mcprog to most of us) is not the only way things can go, but there seems to be too many people making tracks just to get played on radio shows by certain djs and not enough people making a track to please the real people who matter, those who pay a fortune to see DJs spin.
early morning rant over |
Great post, Ian. |
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| Ian^ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cobalt
Great post, Ian. |
yes, considering it was about 7am and i'd only slept 5 hours, I wrote a better post than when im wide awake.... maybe I should learn something from it, but I do believe in a lot of the points there. While we have to move on, it should be forwards & not backwards |
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| Jake Conlon |
| problay the post post in the music discussion section ive seen in ages |
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| DC- |
One of the biggest downsides of being a producer is that you tend to judge music based on technical merrit rather than enjoying the music for the music. To me, the time period that defines trance as trance is not circa 98/97. Trance is about uplifting melodies that take you on an emotional journey. People constantly complain about the constant use of the infamous 'supersaw', but this is what defines trance as such. Why should people use different instruments when this works and works well. It might be boring to some, but what would rock be without guitars? Certainly not rock. Why should a person have to re-invent the wheel everytime they make music, just let them be, let them make what their heart leads them to. If you don't like the end result, that's fine, it's within your perogative to dislike and disagree.
I agree that in terms of emotional uplifting melodies (or the opposite), trance has seriously been on a decline. Many of the tracks I recieve suffer from what I like to refer to as 'random chord progressions' which is to me as effective as hitting random keys on a keyboard. It works for some, for others it doesn't. I've always found myself attracted by emotional melodies ala Gouryella, this is what trance should be about.
Someone mentioned about producers catering to the DJ and Club scene, this is unfortunately the truth but it comes with reason. In this day and age, in order for your track to be deemed 'successful', it has to do well on the dancefloor. If it's not club worthy, it won't sell, simple as that. The market is already in some serious trouble, money is very tough to come by.
As for the comment about people being too software dependant. Acoustically, trance as it sounds today makes trance circa 97 sound primitive at best. Software is not the problem, many 'famous' producers utilize software in their studios (Above & Beyond, Armin, Airwave, Thrillseekers, Tiesto, Mike) to just name a few. Having a studio full of hardware is not necessarily the formula of success. The real problem is inspiration, producers back in the day didn't have A State Of Trance to listen to, they derived their inspiration from many sources and I'd bet not many were electronica based. That is why so many songs sound alike, sound "ASOT". |
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| Cobalt |
| quote: | Originally posted by DC-
The real problem is inspiration, producers back in the day didn't have A State Of Trance to listen to, they derived their inspiration from many sources and I'd bet not many were electronica based. That is why so many songs sound alike, sound "ASOT". |
It's a cruel twist of irony that the internet has succeeded in both widely popularizing trance and homogenizing it to uniform mediocrity. |
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| Massive84 |
does my opnion matter?
If yes..no for me. |
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| DarkAngel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Leon Oziel
I know this has been discussed/contended rigorously on chatrooms, forums, privatemessages and even real life, but I want to get the low down..
What's causing songs, which come out on an daily basis, to sound like complete commercial garbagiola? Why do they taste so bland and emotionless, afterall: music is the expression of emotion. I want to keep this short and strictly to the point without making myself look cool by using big words.
Could it be, that around the time when the new millenium rolled around, and when trance was spreading, fresh producers took interest and composed their music based off previous songs (in order to be accepted)? That could explain why most trance sounds the same today, and all kicks/claps have to be within a certain likeliness.
I mean, there are tunes that make you feel good inside, but I don't know if you heard Phynn's Lucid, but that thing is original. Compared to the emotionless filler trance out there now, this actually tells you a story in itself, an impliment the dj can use to convey his feelings. The synth work is different, the melody, all of it just makes you feel refreshed!
What happened to the creativity we once could express.. creativity like 'Way Out West - Activity'?
anyways, I have my flame-resistant suit on, all comments are welcome. I want the answer |
NO.
Love it or leave it. Si? Bien. Gracias. Ciao. |
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