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A brief guide to following an English national sporting team. (pg. 4)
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| Dj Smitty20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Michael19
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oh christ your an idiot. so english players never dive? SO rooney never dived in the united arsenal game?! get a grip.
thankfully theres no chance of that happening so i wont need too. |
British players (and Irish) dive far less often. Players like Ronaldo bring the game into disrepute. If you're observant, diving and acting has crept into the English game over the last decade. It has become much less physical and the referees are constantly blowing the game down for the slightest contact. It never used to be this way. But if the imports in the Premiereship get away with it, the British players might as well do it too. It takes a thickheaded person to turn a blind eye to the fact that football has an officiating and diving problem.
No chance of it happening hmm? When it's played in Europe, usually a European team wins it. Germany are crap, France and Portugal are rebuilding. Italy aren't that great and neither is Spain. England, with rising stars such as Dafoe and Wright-Phillips, a solid goalkeeper (not Mr. James), a Rooney, Lampard, Beckham, etc all in form have just a good a chance as anyone else. This is their real chance for this current generation. |
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| zig |
| HEY...HEY.....calm down guys......dont forget the origional thread is posted by a german stirer and you are reacting in exactly the way he wants;) .....enough said |
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| Michael19 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
British players (and Irish) dive far less often. Players like Ronaldo bring the game into disrepute. If you're observant, diving and acting has crept into the English game over the last decade. It has become much less physical and the referees are constantly blowing the game down for the slightest contact. It never used to be this way. But if the imports in the Premiereship get away with it, the British players might as well do it too. It takes a thickheaded person to turn a blind eye to the fact that football has an officiating and diving problem.
No chance of it happening hmm? When it's played in Europe, usually a European team wins it. Germany are crap, France and Portugal are rebuilding. Italy aren't that great and neither is Spain. England, with rising stars such as Dafoe and Wright-Phillips, a solid goalkeeper (not Mr. James), a Rooney, Lampard, Beckham, etc all in form have just a good a chance as anyone else. This is their real chance for this current generation. |
on paper spain's team could be very good, they have some excellent young players, if they can play as a team they will be brilliant. also i wouldnt write off france. To be fair, its another year and a half away so very early to be making jugdements. also no one has even qualifid yet!
zig, the thread starter aint german! |
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| töbias |
| quote: | Originally posted by Az
you beat us in a friendly at selhurst park
when we changed all 11 players at half time :stongue: |
Yes, and if you didn't change your players at half-time it probably would have been 6-1 at the end the way they were playing.
Someone mentioned Ericsson, and I really feel sorry for the guy.
I mean, look what he has to work with. First of all you have the English game mindset that says that strategy and tactics is all about kicking the ball to the other end and hoping for the best, not a pass along the ground in sight. And technical skill? What?
And then you also have the problem that the standard of the Premierhip has improved dramatically since there stopped being English players in it, and this applies double for the good teams. I mean, has an English player ever made it in another league somewhere else?
The best Sven can hope for is sexy babes on the flights around Europe because he isn't getting too much pleasure from the concept of this bunch of hacks winning anything. |
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| Az |
| quote: | Originally posted by töbias
I mean, look what he has to work with. First of all you have the English game mindset that says that strategy and tactics is all about kicking the ball to the other end and hoping for the best, not a pass along the ground in sight. And technical skill? What?
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off, the english game was built around the tactics of Brian Clough, the man who said "if god meant for football to be played in the air, he'd have put grass in the sky"
and look at the top 3 teams in the premiership, their best players, Chelsea - Lampard and Terry, Arsenal - Sol Campbell (without him they lose or draw), Man utd - Ferdinand, Rooney, Scholes
Tobias, got to give you credit, you're one of the better trolls on this forum, you never fail to incite an argument, but you're fundamentally flawed in an argument about current football affairs.
Unsure whether you count Germany or Australia as your first team, but both are ed, with Germany all your half decent players are well past their prime, and no longer cut the mustard, and Australia, they've got the talent, but never ever do anything with it on both the international stage, or the european stage at club level (Marc Viduka, bottled it every champions league he played for leeds, same with Kewell, who has now bottled it in the league for liverpool, Emerton at blackburn, Cahill who will never play in Europe cos everton are in freefall, and that massive **** Muscat who has no idea about football and just likes breaking peoples legs) |
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| töbias |
| quote: | Originally posted by Az
off, the english game was built around the tactics of Brian Clough, the man who said "if god meant for football to be played in the air, he'd have put grass in the sky"
and look at the top 3 teams in the premiership, their best players, Chelsea - Lampard and Terry, Arsenal - Sol Campbell (without him they lose or draw), Man utd - Ferdinand, Rooney, Scholes
Tobias, got to give you credit, you're one of the better trolls on this forum, you never fail to incite an argument, but you're fundamentally flawed in an argument about current football affairs.
Unsure whether you count Germany or Australia as your first team, but both are ed, with Germany all your half decent players are well past their prime, and no longer cut the mustard, and Australia, they've got the talent, but never ever do anything with it on both the international stage, or the european stage at club level (Marc Viduka, bottled it every champions league he played for leeds, same with Kewell, who has now bottled it in the league for liverpool, Emerton at blackburn, Cahill who will never play in Europe cos everton are in freefall, and that massive **** Muscat who has no idea about football and just likes breaking peoples legs) |
Well, you really got me with that reply.
I mean, the top 3 teams in England and a massive 6 English players to speak about, its like a gold rush, even funnier when you consier one of them doesn't even play for England anymore. Scholes definetely has the brains I'll give him that, he knew a dead duck when he saw one.
Maybe you haven't kept abreast of current footballing events because the current German team is quite young on average, and even the strongest German football supporter will admit a gap in production in the years just before and after 2000 as resting on reputation was deemed the policy.
And Australia, well, they have never had more depth. No-one in Australia likes Harry Kewell anyway, I put that down to too many years in England, and Australia would have more of a dent in the International scene if there was less corruption and bad management, once they didn't have enough money to fly our players to New Zealand to play the qualifier for the Confederations Cup, however this has now been resolved with Australia's second richest man backing the sport.
As for your opening comment, do you watch the Premiership? |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
| My God, what has England ever done to you? (except play a major part in humiliating your country in not one, but two world wars) |
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| Az |
| quote: | Originally posted by töbias
As for your opening comment, do you watch the Premiership? |
yes I do :D |
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| raveed |
| quote: | Originally posted by töbias
Well, you really got me with that reply.
I mean, the top 3 teams in England and a massive 6 English players to speak about, its like a gold rush, even funnier when you consier one of them doesn't even play for England anymore. Scholes definetely has the brains I'll give him that, he knew a dead duck when he saw one.
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dude those 5 not including scholes are from the top 3, the other clubs in the premiership have a lot of talent as well you and young talent at that which seems to be at a minimum in germany right now besides probably kevin kuranyi, we have prospective superstars in the likes of shaun wright phillips, stewart downing and jermain defoe. Plus we got beckham and owen playing in spain and although they not in their best form at the moment they sure as hell can rip the opposition to shreds when they are ... look at germany now, the only reason you made it to the finals of world cup 2002 was because of easy opposition and oliver kahn who now is ancient and belongs in a museum and you are lucky being the hosts of 2006 else youd prolly have trouble qualifying for that as well ... the 2004 european championships are a perfect example to sum up the talent that germany has to offer.. 2 points from 3 games including a draw against latvia so the next time you try to stir up controversy make sure you get your facts right including that of where the championships are held;) |
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| razmataz |
| quote: | Originally posted by töbias
I mean, has an English player ever made it in another league somewhere else?
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You can say the same about an Italian, Spaniard or German for that matter (apart from Matteaus at Inter). |
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| töbias |
| quote: | Originally posted by raveed
dude those 5 not including scholes are from the top 3, the other clubs in the premiership have a lot of talent as well you and young talent at that which seems to be at a minimum in germany right now besides probably kevin kuranyi, we have prospective superstars in the likes of shaun wright phillips, stewart downing and jermain defoe. Plus we got beckham and owen playing in spain and although they not in their best form at the moment they sure as hell can rip the opposition to shreds when they are ... look at germany now, the only reason you made it to the finals of world cup 2002 was because of easy opposition and oliver kahn who now is ancient and belongs in a museum and you are lucky being the hosts of 2006 else youd prolly have trouble qualifying for that as well ... the 2004 european championships are a perfect example to sum up the talent that germany has to offer.. 2 points from 3 games including a draw against latvia so the next time you try to stir up controversy make sure you get your facts right including that of where the championships are held;) |
You obviously missed the point of the thread starting post.
You see England can have whoever on their team sheet they like, what they lack is mental toughness. The problem is that they choke, bottle it, fall apart, the wheels come off.
Your average English fan unfortunately keeps looking at the squad and thinking that the eleven players running onto the field make a difference to the end result, sure they make some difference to the amount England gets beaten when in the crunch situation, but the faces at the final whistle are the same.
Germany ha a gap in talent for a couple of years sure, thats quite obvious, but what they do have is mental strength, and the ability to step up when required, not down like England.
It would be quite good if the English posters here could actually be a little constructive instead of looking to fight all the time. How can you help the English team get mentally tougher?
Perhaps yoga could work?
Or teaching them not to become hooligans when they drink.
Okay, now I'm being silly. |
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| raveed |
| quote: | Originally posted by töbias
Or teaching them not to become hooligans when they drink.
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u think englands bad ... try italy and i agree you do have a point when you say england lacks the mental toughness to succeed at the high level ... but i think part of it is due to the high level of expectations that are placed on their shoulders by the fans and for that i blame the british media ... i dont think theres any press around the world as fuct up as the british ... they chew you and spit you out like bubblegum |
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