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What is RACIST? (pg. 3)
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| Lephaid |
| quote: | Originally posted by töbias
Minority groups will always get much greater freedom than the larger groups to get greater benefits, more incentives, more freedom to be politically incorrect, and more lenience with punishment.
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This is really a case by case thing...It's certainly not true comparing African Americans to Anglo-European Americans. In fact, pretty much the opposite of what you've said is always true, because the people in power are Anglo-European and for the most part they want Anglo-Europeans to maintain their place. Sure, there are some race sensitive benefits that African Americans have, but when you overall look at the statistics it's still blatently obvious that American society is racist.
How many African Americans are CEO's or hold high positions in the government in comparison with the actual percentage of African Americans in America?
Conversely, how many African Americans are in jail in comparison with Anglo-European Americans? How does this compare to the relative percentages of the population? |
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| töbias |
| quote: | Originally posted by Scottaculous
Your examples offer some clear-cut evidence on how being the minority group may have it's advantages. The advantages of being the majority group in modern society is more subtle and by far outweights the advantages of the minority. Let's remember, you and your peers may not be discriminant but a great number of people are. Pres. Bush for all his faults was still voted back into office because 51% of my country's citizen saw it fit to vote him back. Maybe 10% of my friends voted for him. The same can be applied to discrimination. Because of lawsuits, discrimination isn't as obvious than a few decades ago but it still exists on society as a whole. |
The disadvantages of minority groups are often misunderstood by the masses, so you often find a backlash when these groups are given preferential treatment.
For example, in Australia many people complain about the unfair treatment of Aboriginals because they appear to get preferential treatment. Essentially it goes along the lines that this ethnic group are known for low rates of employment, high rates of crime and imprisonment, high levels of Government spending and wasted money.
Many people in the cities fail to understand just how difficult it is to lead a quality life as an Indigenous person in this country because of the large amount of social problems, alcohol and sexual abuse and so on that kids do not get a fair chance to make a name for themselves. The reverse side is that if an Aboriginal child wants to have a go he or she will get paid more than other children to attend school, get special entry into University, ease into a Government job after they graduate and generally get well looked after.
I'm not offering an opinion on the above matter, but I have spent enough time to examine both sides of the argument and know that the balance between justified assistance and abuse.
But on the other hand things can change. For a long time women have been a minority group of sorts as society has shifted from women being housewives to carving out careers of their own, and its difficult to access whether females as a whole are still a minority group. When you look at politics and high level business you could easily form the view that women are still disadvantaged, but when you understand that women are the dominant gender in the social aspect of today's lives, especially in regards to child custody, dating and divorce.
Call me a bastard but I believe that everybody takes control of their own lives, and I don't care much for excuses. There is always an excuse why you can't do something. People can bitch all you like about disadvantages, unfairness, discrimination, but at the end of the day they could be spending that time realising their dreams. It might be harder for members of a certain ethnic or demographic group to get where they want to be, but at the end of the day its your life and if you wish to be content making excuses then that works, and if you give it your best shot it will work better. |
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| Cal |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
Funny, they say pretty much the same thing on www.kkk.com |
So if Hitler told you smoking is bad you'd think it's a lie?
A friend of mine is in the Police Foundations course here in Toronto. To get in he and all the rest of the male applicants had to get through a tough physical fitness test that included pushups chinups and timed runs, while the female cop wannabes didn't.
Yet they pay is the same, and the job is the same.
Now suppose your girl or your sister or cousin is being gang-raped. Who would you rather have break up the act, a woman that didnt get tested for her physical condition, or a guy with iron lungs that can do 20 consecutive chinups fast and easy and does 50 crunches without breaking a sweat? |
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cal
So if Hitler told you smoking is bad you'd think he is lying because he has some alterior motive? |
No. If Hitler told me about race and "equality" I might, however. Why are you throwing false analogies at me? |
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| Lephaid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cal
So if Hitler told you smoking is bad you'd think it's a lie?
A friend of mine is in the Police Foundations course here in Toronto. To get in he and all the rest of the male applicants had to get through a tough physical fitness test that included pushups chinups and timed runs, while the female cop wannabes didn't.
Yet they pay is the same, and the job is the same.
Now suppose your girl or your sister or cousin is being gang-raped. Who would you rather have break up the act, a woman that didnt get tested for her physical condition, or a guy with iron lungs that can do 20 consecutive chinups fast and easy and does 50 crunches without breaking a sweat? |
They both possess guns, though...
Physical strength these days is no longer reliant on muscles. The gun kicks the bodybuilder's ass no matter whose hands it is in. |
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| töbias |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
Funny, they say pretty much the same thing on www.kkk.com |
I'll take that as quite an insult.
You will notice that I didn't offer an opinion on whether it was fair or not, I was just stating the facts.
When I was at University all students had to be members of the student guild, and this involved a fee payed 6-monthly. A large portion of this money was set aside for academic awards, the only catch was that females and disabled students were the only ones eligible for the cash prizes and awards.
I gave an interview on a news program on the subject because there was quite an outrage from male student paying these fees and not being able to win the awards for excellent marks, and the Chancellor of the University said, and I remember clearly, "Equality is not about treating all people equally".
That kind of stuck with me because it is not fair to treat all people equally. Disabled people need ramps to enter some buildings so there-in they get additional investment in looking after them, students with poor English get special treatment at schools, its quite fair when you think about it, and there are cases where the system is out of date or abused. |
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| Cal |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lephaid
How many African Americans are CEO's or hold high positions in the government in comparison with the actual percentage of African Americans in America? |
BUT does that warrant affirmitive action? Does that warrant hiring a black woman as a neurosurgeon over a white male candidate that has better credentials?
Would you put a person's life in a lesser qualified persons hands over percentages? Your own child's life? |
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| Cal |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
No. If Hitler told me about race and "equality" I might, however. Why are you throwing false analogies at me? |
Because I'm trying to show you that it doesn't matter who says what, what you must evaluate is the strength of the argument. |
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by töbias
You will notice that I didn't offer an opinion on whether it was fair or not, I was just stating the facts. |
I understand and completely retract my statement...wait...
| quote: | Originally posted by töbias
Sometimes the inequality done in the name of equality is fair, and sometimes it is ing far from fair. |
Y HALLO THAR BUTTZEKZ!
So which situations would you consider "ing far from fair" then? |
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| Cal |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lephaid
They both possess guns, though...
Physical strength these days is no longer reliant on muscles. The gun kicks the bodybuilder's ass no matter whose hands it is in. |
And since males are still tested, therefore there's discrimination agains males! |
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| Radagast |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cal
Because I'm trying to show you that it doesn't matter who says what, what you must evaluate is the strength of the argument. |
Not when the motives of said person/organization are questionable and they're the only source of evidence for their argument. |
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| Lephaid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cal
BUT does that warrant affirmitive action? Does that warrant hiring a black woman as a neurosurgeon over a white male candidate that has better credentials?
Would you put a person's life in a lesser qualified persons hands over percentages? Your own child's life? |
It doesn't warrant anything, I don't think...
However, if you want that race to rise in society and maintain a power similar to those of Anglo-European Americans, then you have to have some legal protections so that preferences aren't always given to Anglo-European Americans for jobs, etc.. That's all I really agree with as far as affirmative action goes, I think.
Granted, the law is also partially owned by those in power, so... The bottom line is it usually doesn't change til the people in power decide they want it to for whatever reason. |
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