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US National ID Card - Coming Soon
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| Trancer-X |
Are the terrorists winning? When al-Qaeda attacked the United States on September 11, 2001, they made it clear they hate America and want to terrorize us into changing America.
If they could, the terrorists would destroy the unique American way of life. But they can't. Only we can do that.
Tragically, too much of the legislation enacted by Congress in a knee-jerk reaction to 9/11 does al-Qaeda's job for them. The Patriot Act took the first, disastrous step toward fundamentally changing our way of life. Then came the homeland security bill, followed by the 9/11 intelligence reorganization bill. And now the Real ID Act of 2005 (H.R. 418) will be voted on Thursday, February 10th.
What's wrong with H.R. 418 -- a bill we are told will stem the flow of illegal aliens through our porous borders? For starters, it does NOTHING to stem the flow of illegal aliens.
Instead, H.R. 418 will:
1. Establish a national ID card.
2. Establish a federally-coordinated database of personal information
on American citizens with Canada and Mexico.
3. Use the new national ID to track American citizens when traveling outside the U.S. -- and within the U.S.
4. Re-define "terrorism" in broad new terms that could include members of firearms rights and anti-abortion groups or other such groups as determined by whoever is in power at the time.
5. Authorize the secretary of the Department of Homeland Security to unilaterally expand the information included in driver's licenses, including such biometric information as retina scans and DNA information -- and even radio frequency identification (RFID) tracking technology. Carry a driver�s license with RFID and governmental officials will know your whereabouts 24/7.
Incredibly, H.R. 418 does nothing to solve the growing threat to national security posed by people who are already in the U.S. illegally. Instead, H.R. 418 states what we already know: that certain people here illegally are "deportable." But it does nothing to mandate deportation. H.R. 418 fails miserably on this most critical issue.
The Real ID Act or Real National ID Act will impose a Soviet-style internal passport on law-abiding American citizens. Proponents of H.R. 418 say we must "make sacrifices" like this to control our borders and fight illegal immigration. But H.R. 418 is a Trojan horse -- it pretends to offer desperately needed border control in order to stampede Americans into sacrificing what is uniquely American: more of our constitutionally protected liberty. H.R. 418 does what al-Qaeda could never do without our help.
H.R. 418 does what legislation restricting firearm ownership does. It punishes law-abiding citizens. Criminals will ignore it. H.R. 418 offers us a false sense of greater security at the cost of taking a gigantic step toward making America a police state. The terrorists will have won.
Urge your U.S. representative to vote "no" on H.R. 418. Go to
http://capwiz.com/liberty/issues/al...6938731&type=CO
Kent Snyder
The Liberty Committee
http://www.thelibertycommittee.org |
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| Shakka |
You mean like one of these?
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| I don't see what's the big deal with ID cards. We have them here and they're a pretty nice way of idenfitying people... |
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| Fir3start3r |
The whole passport system needs to be updated anyways...
I hope that Canada starts to use this system too.
I don't see what so 'scary' about it.
Hell we have to get our picture taken for driver's licences every 4-5yrs so what's the big deal? :conf: |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
The whole passport system needs to be updated anyways...
I hope that Canada starts to use this system too.
I don't see what so 'scary' about it.
Hell we have to get our picture taken for driver's licences every 4-5yrs so what's the big deal? :conf: |
It's saddening to think about how naive people really are. |
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| biznology |
sure, its just an ID card in certain ways...but you 'supporters' fail to ask yourself -why-?
do we need two of them to live safely in this country or outside? is our passport increasingly falling behind the rest of the world in terms of security?
no...at least in my opinion.
basically its just 'conservatives' creating more beauracracy that spends money and does nothing...simple as that| |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
You mean like one of these?
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But that license should read, "Tim Osman" :p |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by biznology
sure, its just an ID card in certain ways...but you 'supporters' fail to ask yourself -why-?
do we need two of them to live safely in this country or outside? is our passport increasingly falling behind the rest of the world in terms of security?
no...at least in my opinion.
basically its just 'conservatives' creating more beauracracy that spends money and does nothing...simple as that| |
And you're only touching on a few points of consideration. There's so much more to it than that!!!
Of course, most won't even question whether or not a National ID card would lead to the Bush administration's further trampling of our Constitutional rights. http://www.gpoaccess.gov/constitution/html/amdt10.html
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trancer-X
It's saddening to think about how naive people really are. |
You're failing to explain yourself other than being paranoid.
You're sounding just like all the other big brother conspiracy left-wing nutjobs out there so far...
If you have an explanation, EXPLAIN YOURSELF MAN! :p ;) |
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| stren |
| Big deal :rolleyes: we have national ID cards, it soooooo limits our freedom :rolleyes: |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
You're failing to explain yourself other than being paranoid.
You're sounding just like all the other big brother conspiracy left-wing nutjobs out there so far...
If you have an explanation, EXPLAIN YOURSELF MAN! :p ;) |
Well, maybe you should go and study up on the ways of the former Soviet Union and their internal passport system.
You seem so vocal about everything that I post here, yet you also want me to hand feed you information that you should probably be researching on your own.
I'm personally not about to consent to the further destruction of my Constitutional rights by a co-opted government that intends to systematically destroy each and every one of them. We already have Social Security numbers which are being used for much greater than their originally intended purpose.
| quote: | | "It gives me a headache just thinking down to your level" - Trillian (from H2G2) |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by stren
Big deal :rolleyes: we have national ID cards, it soooooo limits our freedom :rolleyes: |
And you're about what, 15 years old? Try asking your grandparents if they were able to roam about Poland and Lithuania so easily. |
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