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| Jayx1 |
We can't afford socialized health care, socialized eductation or socialized anything else and now we want this?
HANDS OFF MY WALLET YOU STUPID GOVERNMENT!!! |
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| preppie chick |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
We can't afford socialized health care, socialized eductation or socialized anything else and now we want this?
HANDS OFF MY WALLET YOU STUPID GOVERNMENT!!! |
+1!!!
i think healthcare and education are wayyyyyyyy more important and should def have priority over this! |
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| Tordan |
I heard on the news a few days ago that the brain-drain in Canada is not only due to professionals moving to the US. But also because the tax cuts which led to a 1/5th in reduction in funding for post secondary institutions. Why are these politicians so short-sighted!! We need more doctors, engineers and scientists dammit.
I think employers should get involved in this whole day care thing. Not many companies offer day care to their employees and it's quite a good incentive if you've got kids. |
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| Skipper |
Jay, it's only being considered. The ontario government is just examining the model used in Quebec.
god, you get your panties in a bunch so easily. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
Jay, it's only being considered. The ontario government is just examining the model used in Quebec.
god, you get your panties in a bunch so easily. |
They are having a high level meeting in Vancouver today and the federal government has already set aside $5 billion in the next budget for this. It's more than just examination at this point. It's about to go national.
And when the government is raising my taxes because it says we cant pay for health care and then goes and does this im rightly pissed off. |
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| Jayx1 |
First we have a situation like this:
| quote: | Hundreds of Ontario patients are having to put their surgery plans on hold Friday. That’s because anesthetists are turning their backs on operating rooms as a sign of protest.
They’re angry at the government’s funding and wait-list strategy. They say it doesn’t do anything to deal with the problems within the system.
What all this means is 179 out of 252 operating rooms from 27 different hospitals throughout Ontario are probably going to be shut down, leading to the cancellation of 70 per cent of elective procedures like joint replacements. Critical-care services won’t be targeted.
Dr. Geraint Lewis, chair of the Ontario Medical Association's anesthesiology section, said the point of the “study session” (a one-day meeting in Toronto to talk about issues within the profession), is to shine the spotlight on underfunding.
“This is just one day out of a litany operating-room closures or surgical delays across the province every day of the week for lack of beds, lack of nurses, lack of anesthesiologists, lack of equipment,” Lewis explained.
“Every day across Ontario, a surgery is postponed for lack of resources.”
Health Minister George Smitherman is less than thrilled with the plans.
“It's an unfortunate decision that impacts patient care,” he said. “I don't think it's a helpful scenario to put more pressure on patients at a time when they are already feeling anxious.”
The Minister claims he’s speaking with the Ontario Medical Association about using nurse practitioners as a way to relieve the stress caused by a shortage of anesthetists.
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And then we have this:
| quote: | Thinking Of The Children
Governments are turning their attention to the younger generation Friday as Social Development Minister Ken Dryden meets with his provincial colleagues in Vancouver.
The group’s mission is to try to work out a deal on Ottawa’s pledge to come up with a national childcare plan.
The feds once said they’d hand over $5 billion over five years to the provinces to unify Canada’s various early learning and childcare systems and boost quality.
And while a final agreement might not be reached this weekend, he’s still hopeful everyone will come up with a plan they can all agree upon eventually.
Meanwhile, childcare advocates from all over the nation have descended upon Vancouver. They want to pressure Ottawa by calling for strong national standards, along with accountability from the provinces.
Childcare is a huge responsibility for governments. Right now Ontario’s yearly budget for it stands at approximately $600 million and looks after about 173,000 licensed locations. About 45,000 are in Toronto.
If the federal powers-that-be end up handing out funds on a per capita program, we could see a lot of cash coming our way.
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Perhaps the government should think of funding current socialized mistakes properly first before getting us involved in something else we cant afford?
Just a thought.........
HANDS OFF MY WALLET!! |
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| alexmorlo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tordan
I heard on the news a few days ago that the brain-drain in Canada is not only due to professionals moving to the US. But also because the tax cuts which led to a 1/5th in reduction in funding for post secondary institutions. Why are these politicians so short-sighted!! We need more doctors, engineers and scientists dammit.
I think employers should get involved in this whole day care thing. Not many companies offer day care to their employees and it's quite a good incentive if you've got kids. |
The politicians are not so short-sighted, Canada always promotes the image that she needs doctors, engineers and other professionals.
Unfortunately, when these foreign trained professionals with the numerous years of experience and multiple international designations and degrees come here, they face the barrier of not having Canadain experience.
Only in Canada, you will find hundreds of physicians, scientists and engineers driving taxis.
http://www.geocities.com/paffywaffy/trained.jpg
In Canada, employers prefer to hire the so called "pure Canadians" with diplomas and crappy Canadian designations over foreigners with Phd's, Masters and MBA's. No wonder Canada is ranked so low when it comes to productivity.
Many immigrants come here only to acquire the citizenship and buy property then get the hell out (atleast during the freezing winters). One comes to question the loyalty to Canada. |
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| MarkT |
I'm all for daycare reform...so long as there is a load of single parents out there on welfare with ZERO motivation to go get a job when their subsidies are clawed back based upon income. Is socialized daycare the answer? I don't know...
As for the walkouts...hmmmm...we're angry at wait times, lack of resources, and time periods to have surgery done, so we're going to walk out and postpone surgeries another day? brilliant strategy :rolleyes: I'd love to know what that delay ends up costing...not just healthcare system, but employers who now have to grant a 2nd day off, etc. etc. The spinoff costs are likely to be rather significant.
If I was one of the people inconvenienced by that day of delay, I'd be freaking out...there are other ways to protest...that's as useful as these idiot teacher unions who strike after every goddamn contract ends...which really ends up screwing parents and students.
Teachers should be given a raise in the their base pay (because it's far too low), be given the resources they need to effectively teach (prep time and supplies) and then be deemed essential service providers and legally prevented from striking.
*flame suit on* |
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| Jayx1 |
Teachers should learn how to work.
Who else demands "prep time" and so many breaks? I used to feel sorry for teachers because they really did put in a lot of work. Now they feel coaching and after school activities should be considered overtime?
FAAAK AAAF
As for social daycare. Fix the social health care mess first thanks! |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by alexmorlo
The politicians are not so short-sighted, Canada always promotes the image that she needs doctors, engineers and other professionals.
Unfortunately, when these foreign trained professionals with the numerous years of experience and multiple international designations and degrees come here, they face the barrier of not having Canadain experience.
Only in Canada, you will find hundreds of physicians, scientists and engineers driving taxis.
http://www.geocities.com/paffywaffy/trained.jpg
In Canada, employers prefer to hire the so called "pure Canadians" with diplomas and crappy Canadian designations over foreigners with Phd's, Masters and MBA's. No wonder Canada is ranked so low when it comes to productivity.
Many immigrants come here only to acquire the citizenship and buy property then get the hell out (atleast during the freezing winters). One comes to question the loyalty to Canada. |
Rubbish.
Just because someone has a medical license from Kreplachistan doesn't mean that they're qualified to practice medicine here, or commerce, or engineering, or any other profession. Even if we set aside these countries' obviously inferior standards of education, just think about the LEGAL difference between practicing in one of those countries vs. Canada. Even doctors from the USA have to learn a whole new set of laws if they come here. And doctors from Canada have to learn a ton of new when they go to the USA as well, but nevertheless, they do it, and they do it in droves.
It's not the necessity of learning new skills that's a barrier to immigrants; it's the fact that the industry here is so crippled because of excessive taxes and government regulations that they actually MAKE MORE MONEY driving a taxi than they would make as an entry-level engineer.
Also, it would help if the Canadian government would stop promoting the idea that new immigrants need not learn the English language. Sorry, but that is a requirement for any decent job here. |
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| Jayx1 |
| Actually many foreign trained professionals' education kills ours. The problem is that there isnt a proper system in place in which to evaluate it. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Actually many foreign trained professionals' education kills ours. The problem is that there isnt a proper system in place in which to evaluate it. |
Yes there is, it's called accreditation. Most of the foreign professionals in question who "can't" get jobs are not the ones who come from the countries you're referring to. European and American professionals can get jobs here no problem. The vast majority of "professionals" who bitch and moan are ones who can barely speak two words of English and their degree is written on a cocktail napkin. |
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