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| nycionx |
| ur right zdrux about it all |
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| DJ_Elyot |
The RIAA is like any other corporate machine... completely psychopathic and uncaring about the welfare of any other entity, whether it be the artists, the consumers, or the people operating the torrent sites.
I agree wholeheartedly with DigiNut... tell the RIAA to put the damn blame where it lies and quit whining about it.
What's the deal with selling your creativity anyway? The best music is made by people who aren't gonna make a fortune from it. As soon as money becomes the motivator, the product sways away from the best it could be and towards the most marketable, cost-efficient, and profitable it could be. I honestly wish that the entire film and music industry collapsed and left nothing but the independant companies and labels. We can only hope. |
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| Theresa |
So it's ok for them to mass produce and sell it to the market, (hard working people), for a rediculous price?
There needs to be some type of compromise. |
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| rabbitjoker |
Sites that provide services to collaborate theft should be shut down.
If the product is and the price is too high - then don't buy it. But don't STEAL it either. Using Theresa's logic: if the ty chocolate bar is too expensive (has low value) than stealing it from the corner store is ok.
Yes - if you steal music, people don't get paid. Every time you steal an album that my brother gets points on, he doesn't get paid. So you think the album is too expensive @ $9.99 - fine - but do you think it's fair to steal wages and compensation from people like my brother who puts in 16 hour days for 6 months straight to complete and album?
I think you'd all be surprised with the economics of the record business. Obviously none of you here have any clue on the cost of a CD and how it gets split up. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
Sites the provide services to collaborate theft should be shut down. |
I fail to see how this assertion can possibly stand up in cases where the sites have agreed to filter the content in question but the RIAA has refused to cooperate in providing a usable list or database. Surely they could invest their vast billions of dollars in technological, human and financial assets to come up with an ASCII text file containing the names of their protected artists, records and songs? I'm sure they probably have a master database somewhere (or more likely, several of them) that they could simply export from.
I'm the last person you'll EVER hear say that stealing is justified if the product is overpriced. I don't believe that when it comes to overzealous government policy, and I don't believe it when it comes to music, film, or software piracy.
My debate, however, has nothing to do with the ethics of what the users or sites are doing. My point is that the RIAA is simply not acting in good faith.
To sum it up, they missed the boat on the hottest technologies like MP3 and P2P, and THAT'S what's costing them sales, not the fact that they're being distributed illegally or unethically in this way. They can try to wet their feet in it now by acquiring assets of online distributors where you pay 10 cents for a track (which I think they've been trying to do), but just because they let their industry grow stagnant instead of getting on the ball with new technology does not give them an excuse to start suing and/or threatening everyone in sight. The courts are tied up with enough frivolous lawsuits already, they don't need this crap. |
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| TDG |
| quote: | | Did anybody see any decline in the number of movies or music released this year as opposed to the number of movies released 5 years ago? Clearly if they have been loosing millions for a number of years, the artist's could not possibly afford to make music anymore, is this not true? |
5 years ago there was much more creativity being pumped out. Coincidentally, Napster made it debut to the public.
Sadly, in the past 5 years, artists in generally have lost alot of creativity, and are scared of being sued for copying someone else. On the industry side of things, this looks pretty bad to the execs. So of course, they blame the file sharers and the Torrent heads for the decline in sales.
It's the same story with Global warming. The majority says it's the polluter's fault, then there's that small group of scientists that say it's just that time in the earth's life.... i'm not sure how I got on this topic... |
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| TrickDaddE |
I feel sorry for the artist's not the pig corporate monger's that are still making millions's on million's of dollars despite the recent explosion of file sharing. Despite the music and film industry's cries
that they are losing money, they very well may be losing some money but yet they still boast multi-million dollar profits each quarter. They only raise this point so the can increase the cd / dvd price, give less to the artists and line their pockets with their insatiable greed. The artist usually get not even a dollar for every CD sold. In Fact they may only make enough money to just survive for the first serveral releases.
The reason DL is currently not a real issue for the music and film industry is because 85-90% of music (cd) sales is in a market of kid's ages 13-18 years old who cry until their parents buy them that Brittany Spears on Nsync Piece o' Crap.
The fear in the corporate music industry is when these kids grow up and start listening to real music and realize they could have DL the crap for free if only mommy and daddy would have gotten them a computer and a HS connection for Christmas, where will they be.
Althought when you boil it down it is still theft and there is no justification for it, well then all those who have never dl a song, program, video, or software program going back to the days of napster and kazaa raise their hands. All those who have never taped vinyl onto Cassette tape raise thier hands, or that favorite television show you just could not make it home in time for! All those with their hands up god bless you. All the rest shame on you!
In addition, when it comes to modern electronica, just goto HMV and try and find alot of the atrist's enjoyed by all TA's. Good Luck, But Brittany, Cristina, Usher and Justin No problem.
It's much easier to DL it and no problem to find it! Maybe if the material was resonably priced and available more people would buy it!
What it comes down to is once again, the big guy's (sony) laugh all the way to the bank and the little guy's (the artist's, us) get it in the A**. |
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| Eklipse |
| quote: | Originally posted by dEsidEL
where they fall.. others shall rise
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Well put. |
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| SkyHigh |
The only way not to get caught is to stop.
HAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA:stongue: :stongue: :stongue: :stongue: :stongue: :stongue: |
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| TrickDaddE |
| quote: | Originally posted by SkyHigh
The only way not to get caught is to stop.
HAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA:stongue: :stongue: :stongue: :stongue: :stongue: :stongue: |
Sorry but we still fortunatly have a little thing called
the privacy act in Canada!!!
For now anyways... |
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| colonelcrisp |
| the MPAA, since when was grossing 350 million at the box office not enough proffit for one movie. their stuntmen and camera operators can in blow me. if they started making some half decent movies instead of this blubbering teen crap they have been shelling out lately. maybe i would actually pay to see a movie instead of either renting it and burning it or downloading it. |
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| Arsondude2.0 |
Make Quality products and ill buy the . I remember the early 90's where i spent 20 bucks or more on cd's that had one good song on it...and i have this huge cd collection from that era...now im more selective...i like one song i dont go out and by the album, i download it and listen to it..and you know what if i like more of the artists songs i buy the album and put it on my ipod. The radio does the same thing. We all used to tape but that was ok. BUt now the burning of songs is of equal quality to the original recording, so the music industry is like "hey we want are money now that you can get our product the same quality without buying it".
File sharing has opened my music world to places in ever would of experienced...living in North America its all crap rap on the radio and its hard to experience different music tastes..
Hollywood movies suck ass anyway, like theres never anything intelligent to rent at blockbuster...so i dont even watch many movies anymore.
My point is, make quality products, remove capitialism from art and maybe just maybe ill buy things again. Cause hearing that Britney Spears needs more money, or Tiesto needs a new house, so start paying for songs is bull. Its like a hockey player asking for 12.5 million dollars a year to play a stupid game...
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