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fine tuning the beatmatch (pg. 3)
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| DannyO |
| quote: | Originally posted by MessiahProject
Dear oh dear - this is the first time Ive visited this forum and I cant believe what im reading! Everybody is trying to put into words how to beatmatch, when the only possible way of doing is with your ears and plenty of practice! The basics can be written in a manual but it takes years of practice to get your ears trained to listen when the 2 beats are milliseconds out and how to put things right. Ive been Djing since the early and practiced for hours and hours on end. The thing that seperates the 'bedroom Dj' and the pro is just that - years of practice and knowing your tunes inside out. So instead of reading all this rubbish people are trying to tell you, you would be better spending the time practicing!!
MP |
Thats all true, but nobody here is trying to tell him some way of mixing without knowing how to beatmatch, Desty brought up something he was just mentioning.
I'd say 90% of the people in the Booth know that the only way to beatmatch is to just do it, programs, charts and counters ain't gonna help, but that site I referred him to will help him, beatmatching is just a small part of DJing, things like phrasing he can get a good idea on before he even attempts it, the poster can't get enough time or money to really try DJing right now, so anything will help, and using a program like Traktor won't teach you how to get onto decks and mix like Carl Cos, but it will give you some idea on controls and what they do.
Exodus: I used to own second hand beltdrives, even though they were a bitch to mix on, it was very doable, wish I still had them actually, got some good memories about them. ::sniff::
EDIT: hmm I don't think I recommend the threadstarter that site, its www.recess.co.uk, it will help out with the dj lingo and what things mean and give you an understanding on various things. |
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| MERiDiAN5i2 |
your doing fine.
if you've been at it only 6 weeks and can easily get two records of different speeds to match up for 10 seconds, consistently... your doing just fine!
you'll get better as you practice!
try making very small adjustments after you get it as good as your getting it now, and start using your hands a bit. so after you've got it matched and it drifts off a bit, try using your hands to nudge backwards/forwards to correct it.. then try slighty bumping the pitch up or down. use the tip of your finger at an angle to move the slider ever so slightly. thats what I do to "dial in" the deck's rotational speed to make the beats phase up nicely :D
the pitch control is uber-sensitve on tech12's and also very responsive.. |
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| Exodus17 |
it takes a while but you begin to master your decks no matter what their quality is.. just takes time...
i get some excellent mixes every now and then... impressed myself a few times last night... you know, the ones that when you play it back to yourself you cant resist the urge to yell "fuk yeah!" and dance around like a goof to your own mixes :D |
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| zizack |
I'm anal about my beatmatching. I'm not one to throw a record on when its not beatmatched fully and just ride the pitch til I'm done mixing. A lot of DJs do that, and I think if you do you're essentially losing one hand while you're mixing and thats one less hand to use eqs etc...
But no matter how good a beatmatcher you are, you're gonna have to ride the pitch sometimes during a mix. The best advice is one you've heard before...Practice, practice, and keep practicing. |
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| fr3sh |
| well i definitely appreciate all of the tips you guys have given me... i am definitely happy with my progress and i can remember not to long ago when the track in the headphones and the track playing out sounded like a big mess... now im nearing the higher end of the learning curve which is the mastering of the skill and sticking the tracks together all with the pitch control... i plan on giving that atleast a few years to become decent at it...then on to ableton live haha |
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| eyeball_2003 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DannyO
What he means is, if you try and get it spot on then when it drifts you might not be to sure on if its too fast or too slow, so if you make it very slightly faster than what you think it should be, you know that if they drift, you just have to slow down the record a slight bit. |
oh i see, thats how i do it anyway :)
just recently tho i have been able to tell if its slower or faster just by instinct, think im learning.....:D |
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| ESMdjm600 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DannyO
What he means is, if you try and get it spot on then when it drifts you might not be to sure on if its too fast or too slow, so if you make it very slightly faster than what you think it should be, you know that if they drift, you just have to slow down the record a slight bit. |
see thats EXACTLY wat his problem is.... he cant figure out wat exactly a "slight bit" is... thats y he keeps overshootin his pitch and his to keep chasing it back and forth |
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| fr3sh |
| i am starting to just hear it when i listen really closely... what can be really confusing is to tell which is faster or slower when both tracks are playing in the speakers |
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| MessiahProject |
| Thats what headphones are for!! |
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| memusa |
The truth is all players/decks are different so you have to get the feel of them before you try to attempt to apply any advice you get in this thread. It helps to know, however, that sometimes, song A nd song B will never be perfectly matched so you hvae to do some adjusting on the way. That's just the way it is and it sucks! I own the Pioneer CDJ-100s and have had to get used to that.
Best advice I can give you... KEEP PRACTICING! That's the only secret to perfect beatmatching... |
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| JakeC |
heres what i do.....
Deck A is playing at +2
i take Deck B put it at summat like +4 i then put pressure on the platter so both tracks are runnign at the same time with the deck b pitch still at +4.
i then let go in short bursts for around 1 second and in that second i try to mathc up the sound of what deck b sounded like when i had the pressure on.
its hard to explain, but it works wonders for me :D |
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| stevebutabi |
sounds like you need to learn to make smaller adjustments... even 1mm movement of the pitch can make a huge difference.
i learned how to make really really small adjustments last time i played live. it was pretty nervewrecking but it worked out:) |
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