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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
So you saying it is ok to nuke Iran and North Korea?:rolleyes: |
i hope France nukes Iran. how dumb does that sound? or maybe India.
| quote: | | I hope Iran gets nukes this way America wont with them.Someone has to standup to Bush.I hope other countries standup for themselves as well and say NO to Bush. |
you're probably the only person in the world who wants Iran to have nukes. if not the only one, then a very small group of myopic il-informed children and Russian arms dealers |
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| Zild |
| wouldn't hippies want NOBODY to have nukes? |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
you're probably the only person in the world who wants Iran to have nukes. if not the only one, then a very small group of myopic il-informed children and Russian arms dealers |
How come Pakistan or India are allowed to have them?even Isreal?
It seems like if you support the U.S. or if you are on their side you are allowed to have or do whatever the you want. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
How come Pakistan or India are allowed to have them?even Isreal?
It seems like if you support the U.S. or if you are on their side you are allowed to have or do whatever the you want. |
it's about non-proliferation. forget what you know or think you know about my president and this administration. before you and i were born, there were only 5 countries that possesed "the bomb", U.S., USSR, France, China and Great Britain. these five countries knew the enormous responsibilities they had to the future of civilization and in 1968 signed a pact with all other industrialized countries to embrace non-proliferation and in so many words, prevent any other country from having them. you see, the genie is out, for reasons we can only postulate. someone broke the genie code and now India and Pakistan, mortal enemies, have them and nothing good will come of it. they know that now and have come to terms with the other five in the nuclear club. Iran, the posterboy for exporting jihad and all things facist, cannot have them. North Korea (don't get me started) will not extort asia with nuclear missles. nothing good will ever come of that. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
it's about non-proliferation. forget what you know or think you know about my president and this administration. before you and i were born, there were only 5 countries that possesed "the bomb", U.S., USSR, France, China and Great Britain. these five countries knew the enormous responsibilities they had to the future of civilization and in 1968 signed a pact with all other industrialized countries to embrace non-proliferation and in so many words, prevent any other country from having them. you see, the genie is out, for reasons we can only postulate. someone broke the genie code and now India and Pakistan, mortal enemies, have them and nothing good will come of it. they know that now and have come to terms with the other five in the nuclear club. Iran, the posterboy for exporting jihad and all things facist, cannot have them. North Korea (don't get me started) will not extort asia with nuclear missles. nothing good will ever come of that. |
Correct me if Iam wrong here but wasnt the U.S. the only country that has used nukes in the past?isnt the U.S. the one invading and threatening countries?so shouldnt they be the ones to abandon their
nukes?
The problem here is that your country likes to label anyone that is against them terrorists.The fact is that Iran is surrounded by Americans at the moment and by having nukes it would give them some security and self defence.
Look at india and Pakistan here those two are always threatening each other to attack one another but you dont see the U.S. telling them to abandon their weapons do you?.:rolleyes:
Isreal and U.S. are the ones threatening military actions against Iran and not the other way around.
Also there are no REAL proof that Iran is going after nuclear weapons,however your government likes you to think that way. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| It's pretty hypocritical for the US to expect other ppl not to have nukes while the US itself has a load, especially when that country is threatened by the US to follow orders or else. It's also hypocritical for the US to label other countries as terrorist states while the US is itself the biggest sponsorer of terrorim. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
It's pretty hypocritical for the US to expect other ppl not to have nukes while the US itself has a load, especially when that country is threatened by the US to follow orders or else. It's also hypocritical for the US to label other countries as terrorist states while the US is itself the biggest sponsorer of terrorim. |
+1
Unfortunatly many people fail to see this Hypocrisy. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Correct me if Iam wrong here but wasnt the U.S. the only country that has used nukes in the past?isnt the U.S. the one invading and threatening countries?so shouldnt they be the ones to abandon their
nukes? |
no, you're correct. my country is the only country that has used them in aggresion, and if you cannot respect the history for which they were used, and from which, the world you know today then there is no talking to the likes of you. i realize you are young and idealic but no one who has lived through the stupidity of mutually assured destruction wants to do it again. those that do want to live that way, have no respect for the history of the "genie". be thankful that my country was the one to learn the responsibility the hard way. not Nazi Germany, or Stalin, Chairman Mao.
| quote: | | The problem here is that your country likes to label anyone that is against them terrorists.The fact is that Iran is surrounded by Americans at the moment and by having nukes it would give them some security and self defence. |
no, we label terrorist, terrorist. the Government that is Iran is a terrorist state. no if's and's our but's. you cannot deny that. what i say, is YOU come to terms with the consequences of exporting death by car bomb in the name of a GOD.
| quote: | | Look at india and Pakistan here those two are always threatening each other to attack one another but you dont see the U.S. telling them to abandon their weapons do you?.:rolleyes: |
how do you know that we never tell them to abandon their weapons. i guaran-ing-tee you not only we, but France, Britain, if not ALL the five countries do. just because you don't see it on Foxnews doesn't mean it's not happening (sound familiar?)
| quote: | | Isreal and U.S. are the ones threatening military actions against Iran and not the other way around. |
this is how the game will be played. you will come to terms with a nation like Iran that has nuclear bomb ambitions. look, i am not against Iran having nuc-power. soon they will run out of oil and that country will have no energy or income needed to sustain their 50 million plus population. however France, Britain and the other two will discourage this particular regime from possesing them. the U.S. on the otherhand...
| quote: | | Also there are no REAL proof that Iran is going after nuclear weapons,however your government likes you to think that way. |
don't go there. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
It's pretty hypocritical for the US to expect other ppl not to have nukes while the US itself has a load, especially when that country is threatened by the US to follow orders or else. It's also hypocritical for the US to label other countries as terrorist states while the US is itself the biggest sponsorer of terrorim. |
you too, have absolutely no respect for history. or you wouldn't say such naive things |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
you too, have absolutely no respect for history. or you wouldn't say such naive things |
give me a break. you're the one who blindly believes and follows the goverment. and you call me naive. you're the one who's so biased that you:
a. eigther refuse to even acknowledge crimes commited by our goverment against other nations
b. if you do, you try to justify them.
if you knew ANYTHING about history and how power works, its always the ones in power who are corrupt, opressive, and impieralistic. (not to mention masters of deciet, i.e. our goverment and mainstream corperate owned american media). |
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| occrider |
| Someone once said that there's no greater danger than an ideologue in a position of power. Ironically, it's threads such as these that bring the ideologues out from the wood works irrespective of their political leanings, both claiming moral/ethical superiority. Quite humorous how their arguments are so intrinsically similar yet so topically antagonistic to each other. Bismarck provided several valuable lessons ... learn from them. 99% of the arguments here wouldn't stand the test of common sense. |
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