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| George Smiley |
Ha! Name a Christian holiday that isn't pagan!
Christmas is pagan and I believe August bank holiday is also pagan (ok just kiddin bout that one!) and why is saturday sacred to Jews but sunday to Christians? Cos sunday was a pagan sacred day...! |
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| George Smiley |
| Anyway, why the thumbs down? Is there a particular reason why this is a bad thing?! |
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| Fir3start3r |
| I say we blame Coke for this one too...:whip: |
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| Blue Balls |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Anyway, why the thumbs down? Is there a particular reason why this is a bad thing?! |
Do you think pagan 'holidays' should be apart of the Christian religion and/or celebrated? why or why not?
Especially Easter which , taken from the article posted, indicates a close relationship to religious beliefs of Nimrod. |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Blue Balls
Do you think pagan 'holidays' should be apart of the Christian religion and/or celebrated? why or why not?
Especially Easter which , taken from the article posted, indicates a close relationship to religious beliefs of Nimrod. |
The more holidays the more days off! Of course we should celebrate them!
And we are British and those religions were here first so if anything, I think they should be celebrated more so than Christian ones
(The reason there are non-Christian (pagan) holidays in Christianity is because if the Romans hadn't merged Christianity with popular pagan religions nobody would have converted - therefore, Christianity is nothing more than a bastardised version of several different religions merged together to suit the political interests of the Romans) |
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| Blue Balls |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
(The reason there are non-Christian (pagan) holidays in Christianity is because if the Romans hadn't merged Christianity with popular pagan religions nobody would have converted - therefore, Christianity is nothing more than a bastardised version of several different religions merged together to suit the political interests of the Romans) |
One can argue that christianity in its modern form today continues down its path of 'conversion'. Merely an assocation rather than a form of religion bound by scripture and values. As a result the people of Christ continue to dis-obey the manidate set forth by God ( as written in both the old and new testament).
The continuing acceptence of pagan rituals and ideas is evidence that Christians live in a world of parodox and non-conviction of their own faith they proclaim.
The question is whether this mis-interpration of their own religion is based on hedonism, mis-understanding, or worse, a act against god. |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Blue Balls
One can argue that christianity in its modern form today continues down its path of 'conversion'. Merely an assocation rather than a form of religion bound by scripture and values. As a result the people of Christ continue to dis-obey the manidate set forth by God ( as written in both the old and new testament).
The continuing acceptence of pagan rituals and ideas is evidence that Christians live in a world of parodox and non-conviction of their own faith they proclaim.
The question is whether this mis-interpration of their own religion is based on hedonism, mis-understanding, or worse, a act against god. |
Who cares?! I get money and presents at Christmas and I get chocolate from me nan at Easter!
And I doubt very much whether God exists in the way he is described in any of the religions of the world so I wouldn't lose any sleep over it ;) |
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| Blue Balls |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
And I doubt very much whether God exists in the way he is described in any of the religions of the world so I wouldn't lose any sleep over it ;) |
than what do you believe? what faith or religion do you follow? If none, what guides you morally? If not religion, what philosphical idea ? |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Blue Balls
than what do you believe? what faith or religion do you follow? If none, what guides you morally? If not religion, what philosphical idea ? |
Common sense for the most part!
The thing with morals is that I dont think religion can claim a monopoly over them. I dont believe Jesus was the son of God but I do believe he was an exceptional philosopher/socialist activist and we should live our lives like he said and treat others like he said, its just all that nonesense about God and him being his son I think we should ignore.
Unfortunately, for many Christians (especially the evangelicalists in America) the 'son of God' part is more important than what Jesus said about us treating other people...
Christianity is a complete fraud...the Bible was edited by people with political motives... |
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| George Smiley |
As for what I believe in its kind of hard to explain...
If there is such a thing as God then it either some kind of being that created the universe et al, or it is two atoms that accidently collided with each other and caused a great explosion. If God turns out to be the latter then I dont really think that deserves my gratitue or my obidience!
If God is a being that created us, and if he loves us, then why would we go to hell if we dont believe in him? I could be the nicest person on earth, yet if I dont believe in God I go to hell whereas kiddy fiddlers who 'confess' before they die get to go to heaven. Thats where my problem lies (that and the fact I dont believe in God!) If thats all God cares about, that we worship and obey him, then he does not love me and he does not care how I live my life. Its all about power. If God exists how he is supposed to exist, then he is not above me he is my equal, just like a President is still your equal. Humans have the technology to create human beings from one cell, does that give us the right to grow slaves or cannon fodder? No. If God's law says we have to worship and obey him then he is not on my side, I would have to be against him...
(If he exists in the way that he is supposed to exist of course! I reckon as long as I'm a nice person I'll go to heaven when I die even if I dont believe it exists as why would God want bad people in heaven just cos they confess and why would he send nice people to hell just cos the technology/science/society we live in today has all but ruled out the possibility of God if he really does love us?) |
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| Blue Balls |
First, I am not going to pretend I am religious because I am not. :) But I do understand the importance of the role religion does play for society .
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
would we go to hell if we dont believe in him? |
I always thought it was more disobeying his laws maliciously
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
I could be the nicest person on earth, |
There are different meanings of being 'nice' or 'moral'. That is the main difference between religions or philosophers. Jesus had a different 'nice' message than what the Jews believed or Mohammad. It is these differences in each ideology that truly make each special and unique.
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
If thats all God cares about, that we worship and obey him, then he does not love me and he does not care how I live my life. |
From my understanding, God has given us the choice or free will but consequently face the costs. He has told us in advance what to do and what not to do. It's one's own responsibility to accept or reject it.
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
God's law says we have to worship and obey him then he is not on my side, I would have to be against him...
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I see the relationship differently. I see it as a bunch of rules and philosophies on how to live ones life.
Is restraint from lust a bad thing? no.
Is restraint from greed a bad thing? no.
The above are just examples of the 'rules' or philosophy of God.
I don’t agree that people are born moral or righteous. We are hedonists at birth until we are taught otherwise. What we are taught and what we believe is eventually what makes us individuals with a free will.
Just saying ‘oh be nice to everyone’ is a simple and safe answer. That is not a real moral philosophy to compare to Judaism, Christianity, Islam, or any philosophical scholar. |
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